do you know the difference between a smart man and a wise man?
The smart man learns from his own mistakes...
The wise man learns from the mistakes of others.
Please let us be a litle bit wiser and tell us the mistake. 🙂
I made some grounding wires that where not connected to ground but to a sensitive part of the circuit. It played some music though so i got confused. Know it is super clean.
The simulation of your circuit gives 8ma for each at 12v. the values for resistances you post is the ones that you use?
Yes, i reduced the 5kOhm to 2kOhm.
I have the circuit in the system to listen so i can not measure again at the moment.
I will measure tonight.
The original measurements where done with 12V floating.
I have the circuit in the system to listen so i can not measure again at the moment.
I will measure tonight.
The original measurements where done with 12V floating.
That's alright Joachim, don't worry. 😎
I have been thinking about the ground path, and i think the best is for you to connect the shield of the MC cartridge directly to the bases of the drivers transistores and then a connection to the star ground.
what do you think?
I have been thinking about the ground path, and i think the best is for you to connect the shield of the MC cartridge directly to the bases of the drivers transistores and then a connection to the star ground.
what do you think?
some pnp transistors curves.
The BD140 have the best curves, but the gais is lower than the rest.
The biss transistor (0,5 Amp) have the better Hfe.
The BC328 is from a old stock.
the bc337-40 that i test have the same gain as bc550c , i test 5 of them and the hfe was similar.
The npn transistor all have better curves than pnp, the bd140 and bd139 are the ones with the most similar curves.
the BD140 and bBC328 where test with 50uA Ib steps the biss and bc560c with 10uA
the scales are horizontal 1 volt/cm Vertical 5mA /cm
The BD140 have the best curves, but the gais is lower than the rest.
The biss transistor (0,5 Amp) have the better Hfe.
The BC328 is from a old stock.
the bc337-40 that i test have the same gain as bc550c , i test 5 of them and the hfe was similar.
The npn transistor all have better curves than pnp, the bd140 and bd139 are the ones with the most similar curves.
the BD140 and bBC328 where test with 50uA Ib steps the biss and bc560c with 10uA
the scales are horizontal 1 volt/cm Vertical 5mA /cm
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I've always thought that the best approach to very low level audio signals like MC cartridges was to use a balanced line between the cartridge and the head amp. I did this over 20 years ago. It works fantastic.
I had some guests and we listened. I am really overwhelmed.
I am planning now to build the circuit more tidy and with a matching RIAA.
Do you think about a balanced input ? One pin of the cartridge to the input, one pin to the bases and the ground as a shield ?
I will now put the I/U into the lab and measure currents and voltages.
The BD140 looks really good.
What could also work well is the KSC3503 / KSA1381 combination.
2SC3601 / 2SA1407 is even better. Very fast and Rbee`in the 2 Ohm region.
I am planning now to build the circuit more tidy and with a matching RIAA.
Do you think about a balanced input ? One pin of the cartridge to the input, one pin to the bases and the ground as a shield ?
I will now put the I/U into the lab and measure currents and voltages.
The BD140 looks really good.
What could also work well is the KSC3503 / KSA1381 combination.
2SC3601 / 2SA1407 is even better. Very fast and Rbee`in the 2 Ohm region.
The 2sc3601 is a fantastic transistor, but the 2sa1407 is very different.
see the datasheet curves.
I think the old BD140 and BD139 are very linear and truly complementar.
And i bet the Rbb are also low.
see the datasheet curves.
I think the old BD140 and BD139 are very linear and truly complementar.
And i bet the Rbb are also low.
I measured the voltages again. Now ca.90mV ( plus-minus 2mV ) develop over each 5.1 Ohm emitter resistor and 30 ohm base stopper. The voltages of the version with the collectors on the input shows even more similar values on all resistors as before.
The idle current is about two times higher as in the simulation you did.
By the way 5.57V develop over the positive 2kOhm resistor and 5.67V over the negative.
The idle current is about two times higher as in the simulation you did.
By the way 5.57V develop over the positive 2kOhm resistor and 5.67V over the negative.
OK, i will try a second lab sample with the BD´s.
Yes, it is kind of strange but i also found that old BJTs are sometimes extremely good.
Maybe physics has not changed so much the last 40 years.
What do you think about the balanced version ?
Yes, it is kind of strange but i also found that old BJTs are sometimes extremely good.
Maybe physics has not changed so much the last 40 years.
What do you think about the balanced version ?
I think that KSC3503-KSA1381 is promising too.
Yes, the 2SA1407 is much worse in early voltage then the 2SC3601 so this is not such a good match.
Yes, the 2SA1407 is much worse in early voltage then the 2SC3601 so this is not such a good match.
Well, I guess you can call it push pull, since in order to be really balanced the impedance of each side has to be equal to ground. But, that's ok, it'll probably work good. Only one way to find out!
When I did it, I used an input transformer, but I guess that's considered cheating these days.
One thing that could work, is use a dummy coil similar to the MC coil in parallel, and then run the cables close to the cables of the MC head and connect to the IN- input, the noise pick by the coils and cables are in phase and is canceled by the circuit.
Maybe a moving coil head amp would be a good application for a zero field input transformer arrangement?
http://www.lundahl.se/pdf/7101.pdf
Delete R1 and R2 and you have basically a zero input impedance, balanced! (I know that doesn't make sense... hahaha)
http://www.lundahl.se/pdf/7101.pdf
Delete R1 and R2 and you have basically a zero input impedance, balanced! (I know that doesn't make sense... hahaha)