I almost gave up last weekend and almost bought an old Sony data grade CRT. Then I came to my senses.
Honestly, this project is tiring me, and this ugly, noisy thing I have is getting to me.
$1000 and up CRT's (used of course) have superior resolution. And the black levels for LCD/DLP will never come close to CRT.
Then I started researching CRT's, and the whole idea of it makes me cringe.
CRT's are such delicate, fragile devices. So many variables, it's an almost garantee to get a sub-standard picture. The whole nature of CRT technology is just nasty. I personally think that there's a LOT more that can go wrong w/ a CRT projector than a DIY LCD projector.
Turn the brightness or contrast too high. Burn in. Watch a letterboxed 16x9 image w/ black borders. Burn in. Watch 3:4 pillarboxed image w/ black borders. Burn in. Watch game on Fox Sports Net (where the scoreboard is constantly on screen). Burn in. And God forbid you would acutally want to play a video game on the thing.
Now what about this scan rate garbage. What a pain in the ***. You need to buy an expensive scaler just to find the sweet spot. Or you can dedicate an HTPC to it, but that will only work for DVDs unless you have a capture card. And what about HD set-top boxes. There's no scan rate control on those- so that lovely RGB or DVI output is almost useless (unless you buy a $5000 capture card or frame grabber for your HTPC).
These things can take up to an hour to fully warm up. Turning them on and off too much (God forbid you might actually want to do that) is strictly forbidden. What if I want to come home from work and watch SportsCenter? Then a couple hours after that, I want to watch a movie. Not very practical. And I thought my DIY projector is inpractical.
A CRT will never achive as sharp a picture as an LCD or DLP. Never. It's physically impossible. Hence the screen door effect on LCD/DLP. Granted, a softer image is better for films, but it's not difficult to soften an LCD or DLP picture. It's impossible to get a 100% sharp image w/ a CRT.
Let me debunk the myth that CRT looks more like film and LCD/DLP is for schools and presentations. There is partial truth to that statement because of the superior black levels. However, you will never achive a bright, large (100" or more) screen w/ any CRT costing less than a Kia.
CRT defines the word analog. Film is not analog video. The nature of film projection is to project a focused beam of super bright white light through a plastic transparency. Sound familiar? The "look" of film is not best replicated by drawing frickin lines with a beam of light.
Very affordable LCDs are already up to XGA. This will improve in a matter of months. There is already a 700:1 contrast ratio LCD available for $400. DLP is into the thousands. CRT will be extinct by 2010, I can garantee that.
Honestly, this project is tiring me, and this ugly, noisy thing I have is getting to me.
$1000 and up CRT's (used of course) have superior resolution. And the black levels for LCD/DLP will never come close to CRT.
Then I started researching CRT's, and the whole idea of it makes me cringe.
CRT's are such delicate, fragile devices. So many variables, it's an almost garantee to get a sub-standard picture. The whole nature of CRT technology is just nasty. I personally think that there's a LOT more that can go wrong w/ a CRT projector than a DIY LCD projector.
Turn the brightness or contrast too high. Burn in. Watch a letterboxed 16x9 image w/ black borders. Burn in. Watch 3:4 pillarboxed image w/ black borders. Burn in. Watch game on Fox Sports Net (where the scoreboard is constantly on screen). Burn in. And God forbid you would acutally want to play a video game on the thing.
Now what about this scan rate garbage. What a pain in the ***. You need to buy an expensive scaler just to find the sweet spot. Or you can dedicate an HTPC to it, but that will only work for DVDs unless you have a capture card. And what about HD set-top boxes. There's no scan rate control on those- so that lovely RGB or DVI output is almost useless (unless you buy a $5000 capture card or frame grabber for your HTPC).
These things can take up to an hour to fully warm up. Turning them on and off too much (God forbid you might actually want to do that) is strictly forbidden. What if I want to come home from work and watch SportsCenter? Then a couple hours after that, I want to watch a movie. Not very practical. And I thought my DIY projector is inpractical.
A CRT will never achive as sharp a picture as an LCD or DLP. Never. It's physically impossible. Hence the screen door effect on LCD/DLP. Granted, a softer image is better for films, but it's not difficult to soften an LCD or DLP picture. It's impossible to get a 100% sharp image w/ a CRT.
Let me debunk the myth that CRT looks more like film and LCD/DLP is for schools and presentations. There is partial truth to that statement because of the superior black levels. However, you will never achive a bright, large (100" or more) screen w/ any CRT costing less than a Kia.
CRT defines the word analog. Film is not analog video. The nature of film projection is to project a focused beam of super bright white light through a plastic transparency. Sound familiar? The "look" of film is not best replicated by drawing frickin lines with a beam of light.
Very affordable LCDs are already up to XGA. This will improve in a matter of months. There is already a 700:1 contrast ratio LCD available for $400. DLP is into the thousands. CRT will be extinct by 2010, I can garantee that.
Amen!
"CRT will be extinct by 2010, I can garantee that." This wouldn't surprise me at all.
zardoz
"CRT will be extinct by 2010, I can garantee that." This wouldn't surprise me at all.
zardoz
wouldnt suprise me either, infact im suprised its still around, its been out since the 60's, too old too big too exspensive break too easy and most i found out the other day last 10000 hrs at best lol not my way for a practical projector atleast with the lcd we just have the bulb to wory about once we get it all sorted out and finnished and if we wana change the reso we just retrofit the projector with a new lcd, hell my projector box might last me another 30years lol
Trev
Trev
I don't want to call you dumb but I was an advocate for the DIY lcd projector until I wised up and bought a CRT projector. Go to avsforums.com and check out the crt projector forum and look at the amazing screenshots. I own a 1031q and I haven't seen anything that can touch it in the lcd and dlp realm under $3000 or so and I spent $600 on a mint condition model. So until anyone here has something with some intelligence in there statement this video portion of this forum is completely brain dead of the possibilities. Ack! Why do I even waste my time....oh yeah I just want everyone to enjoy there theater experience instead of wishing for it with an lcd or dlp. 🙂
Oops I almost forgot to mention that there is thing called convergence. You might want to try learning what that is before you decide CRT isn't for you 😛
Oops I almost forgot to mention that there is thing called convergence. You might want to try learning what that is before you decide CRT isn't for you 😛
havix321 said:
Personally I find attacking someone for voiceing their opinion offensive and ignorant. Then to further the insult by flaming an entire forum ...well that just speaks for itself doesn't it?
Whats next? Are you going to tell us what books we can and can't read? Because that would fall in line with the condemnation of an "opinion".
It seems that there is a popular opinion shared here...one that I have seen "backed-up" by various articles writen for "projection trade shows". There has been a remarkable reduction of CRT projection units turning up at these events.
Face facts.
As the heat gets turned up the "push" will be put into developing an "emerging market"..not the allready existing older technology. The few limitations of LCD/DLP are being met and overcome at a rapid rate.
Look at the development process for the household TV..it sat as the antiquated crt for how many years? Do you want a CRT television now? Don't lie to either yourself or us. Of course you don't!
If LCD or plasma TV's were cheap enough for me to buy a 27" or 32" I'd SCRAP my gorgeous SONY trinitron in a heartbeat!!! There is no comparison.
You obviously haven't looked at some of the "amazing screenshots" to be found on this forum... (projected by DIYer's with "home made gear").
So if you don't think any of us "has something with some intelligence in there statement" I suppose we won't hear too much from you in the future...oh well..it's a mutual loss because I'm sure you must have something to offer as we all do. We all wish you a happy theatre experience as your projection gear fades off into the history books and the "real future" unfolds.
zardoz...has no time for "closed minded" people ...
I love coments like that from people who obviously didn't read the post. First of all, WTF would make you think I don't know what convergence is? Second of all, I never said CRT did not give a superior image. So what exactly is your problem? You can't read?
I simply cannot let this go without a reply.
I am the proud owner of one of those ugly CRT projectors...the outstanding NEC XG110LC, it is my 3rd XG, and my 5th pj in the last three years. (I wanted to try a couple other brands, but came back to NEC)
Let me say this, I also have a friend who has owned D-ILA, and several DLP pj's...he no longer owns any of that inferior product. He has seen what a well setup CRT can do, and now owns the Ampro 3600 as his sole projection device.
To refute several myths that are addressed in this post.
1) "CRT take an hour to warm up"...incorrect, my XG is in critical viewing convergence within 10 minutes of startup, I had an E'home 8500 that was perfectly converged the second it was fired up. CRT's require a good setup, if done correctly they will be converged on startup...if room temp is controlled, they will stay that way until you shut them down.
2)"They are Fragile"...all CRT pj's were built for industrial/ military use, in three years I've had not one failure, they fail no more than any other electronic product. These chassis were built for a 50,000 hour life span. There are people using CRT's that have over 25,000 hours on the chassis, and still going strong (I had one of them) Tubes can be changed in about an hour.
Again a good setup helps.
3)"CRT will be dead by 2010"...maybe, but digital pj's need to improve their picture for that to happen. Right now, there isn't a digital out there that can compete with my $2,700 CRT
4) "Burn-in"...yep, if you don't know how to calibrate, then burn-in is a very real danger. However if you do calibrate, a set of CRT tubes are good for between 8 and 10,000 hours (MINIMUM) At a cost of $550 per tube X 3, you can see CRT costs less than $.20 per hour. I have over a thousand hours of 1.85/2.35 ratio movies on a 16X9 screen without any sign of burn in.
5) "you will never achive a bright, large (100" or more) w/ anything costing less than a Kia (had to laugh, great saying) Incorrect...I just installed a system for a guy here in town...Barco 1209 (9"CRT with liquid coupling) and a 102X57.4" screen, installed on his ceiling, up and running, under $5,500. He'd seen all the digitals, then came and had a look at my system, his first words after he picked his jaw up off the floor..."no contest".
People must learn to talk from a point of knowledge, not fear, and this thread has certainly not started from a point of knowledge.
The thing is, if you have seen a well setup CRT, nothing else compares...yet.
As mention above, take a look at the avsciences CRT forum, and ask for people in your area that have one, most are glad to show what CRT can really do, because very few have ever seen a good one in action. Anyone in s. Alabama/ N Florida is welcome to come over and have a look...you won't be disappointed😉
All this said, when any form of digital can produce a picture like CRT, and comes in at the same used market cost...I'm going to make the switch...until then, when it comes to picture quality, nothing can match these old dinosaurs!
I am the proud owner of one of those ugly CRT projectors...the outstanding NEC XG110LC, it is my 3rd XG, and my 5th pj in the last three years. (I wanted to try a couple other brands, but came back to NEC)
Let me say this, I also have a friend who has owned D-ILA, and several DLP pj's...he no longer owns any of that inferior product. He has seen what a well setup CRT can do, and now owns the Ampro 3600 as his sole projection device.
To refute several myths that are addressed in this post.
1) "CRT take an hour to warm up"...incorrect, my XG is in critical viewing convergence within 10 minutes of startup, I had an E'home 8500 that was perfectly converged the second it was fired up. CRT's require a good setup, if done correctly they will be converged on startup...if room temp is controlled, they will stay that way until you shut them down.
2)"They are Fragile"...all CRT pj's were built for industrial/ military use, in three years I've had not one failure, they fail no more than any other electronic product. These chassis were built for a 50,000 hour life span. There are people using CRT's that have over 25,000 hours on the chassis, and still going strong (I had one of them) Tubes can be changed in about an hour.
Again a good setup helps.
3)"CRT will be dead by 2010"...maybe, but digital pj's need to improve their picture for that to happen. Right now, there isn't a digital out there that can compete with my $2,700 CRT
4) "Burn-in"...yep, if you don't know how to calibrate, then burn-in is a very real danger. However if you do calibrate, a set of CRT tubes are good for between 8 and 10,000 hours (MINIMUM) At a cost of $550 per tube X 3, you can see CRT costs less than $.20 per hour. I have over a thousand hours of 1.85/2.35 ratio movies on a 16X9 screen without any sign of burn in.
5) "you will never achive a bright, large (100" or more) w/ anything costing less than a Kia (had to laugh, great saying) Incorrect...I just installed a system for a guy here in town...Barco 1209 (9"CRT with liquid coupling) and a 102X57.4" screen, installed on his ceiling, up and running, under $5,500. He'd seen all the digitals, then came and had a look at my system, his first words after he picked his jaw up off the floor..."no contest".
People must learn to talk from a point of knowledge, not fear, and this thread has certainly not started from a point of knowledge.
The thing is, if you have seen a well setup CRT, nothing else compares...yet.
As mention above, take a look at the avsciences CRT forum, and ask for people in your area that have one, most are glad to show what CRT can really do, because very few have ever seen a good one in action. Anyone in s. Alabama/ N Florida is welcome to come over and have a look...you won't be disappointed😉
All this said, when any form of digital can produce a picture like CRT, and comes in at the same used market cost...I'm going to make the switch...until then, when it comes to picture quality, nothing can match these old dinosaurs!
havix321 said:
Ok, so now there are two posts you don't want to read. Do you have ADD or something? As much as you seem to want to argue, you can't argue by agreeing with me.
The first post, as well as my response to your obvoxious post, I said VERY CLEARLY that CRT is superior looking, particularly for movies. So instead of shedding light, the only thing your shedding to this forum is the illusion of your intelligence, while insulting everyone else's.
havix321 said:
What was the year I predicted? Oh yeah, 2010. I would definately consider that "at least a few years". So again, your responding to the subject title and proving that you don't give people the respect to read what they have to say before trying to argue.
havix321 said:
How the hell do you know what I have and haven't seen? Your opinion of CRT has offended nobody (since it has no contridiction to what I've said whatsoever). Your opinion of people on this forum, as well as your complete lack of respect (by not reading the posts) is very offensive. You arrogence is pretty offensive too. Yes I have seen many properly calibrated CRT projectors. They look unbelievable. I saw a Runco once. And yes, I read a lot over on AVS forums. That's how I made my screen. Don't come in here acting like your providing any new information whatsoever, and don't troll in some forum when you don't even have anything useful to say.
havix321 said:
Now that you've made an schmuck out of yourself by completely agreeing with me in regards to CRT's picture quality whilst thinking you were "shedding light", why don't you go back, and read, and try to learn how to have intelligent conversations. You haven't said one iota of technical information whatsoever. If you can overcome your attention span, read about burn-in problems, and then think for just a moment that different people have different needs and uses for a projector. Keep in mind that there wouldn't even be LCD or DLP projectors in existence if there were no benefits to using them over CRT projectors. You can go implore elsewhere, because I, as well as MANY others here are well aware of what CRT front projection systems look like.
Lifter said:
From having 15 years working experience in the AV industry, the only reason LCD/DLP projectors came into use was because they were brighter, lighter, and easier to set up. Image quality had nothing to do with it, it was all down to economics...
Ok, well that is a reason isn't it. But there are a few ASPECTS of image quality that LCD and DLP are superior for (brightness, sharpness, image continuity), but again, for OVERALL picture quality, CRT is w/o a doubt the best until the others can drastically increase the resolution (slowly happening w/ LCD, not so much DLP) and the contrast ratio (slowly happening with DLP but not so much LCD).
Lifter said:
I'm wondering why you would need a picture that has more brightness than what is realistic...if any pj is calibrated for 42.83 to 44.55 nit (cd/m2) at 100ire, on a 1.6 gain screen, that's a total output of 68.52 to 71.28 nit...which equals between 20 and 20.8 fL...as you can see brightness is a non-factor.
There is no doubt digitals are sharper, and on text this really shows...however, motion pictures are much more forgiving when it comes to sharpness of image. At this time, both digital and CRT can reproduce a sharper image than scaled DVD is capable of producing...in other words, even my 8" NEC is producing the sharpest picture possible with our best standard source at this time. A 9" CRT has even better control of it's spot size, and in fact the Sony G90 and E'home 9500LC are as sharp as any digital to date. However those two pj's are in the 10 to $15,000 range, so they should be better.
What is "image continuity"?
Lifter,
What KennyG did was to tell you that you were wrong in some of your statements. E.g. warmup time etc.
What is wrong with that ?
Yes you wrote that the "overall image quality" is supirior on the CRT. That is what counts for me, I wouldn't like a sharp grey picture so the choice was easy for me.
You can find pros and cons on any equipment you consider.
With CRT's it's the size, setup need for light control, etc. With LCD/DLP it's the screendoor, rainbow effects, grey blacks or even blue on some Sony models.
Scan rate, don't realy know what the problem is.
Yes you certainly want a HTPC or Scaler but that is the same for LCD/DLP. Only that some models have a built in DCDI chip. But that is something you pay for in the end anyway.
With a CRT you can almost output anything to it as long as it has enough bandwidth but on a LCD/DLP you have to match the panelsize, scan rate on the DLP chip/LCD panels etc.
So neither is without hazzle if you want to push it to the limit.
Burn in, yes and no.
Usually once you've setup your CRT PJ you dont' want to move it around. You wouldn't get a burn in if you mix your viewing content. Meaining, if you would only watch 2.35:1 material after a couple of hundred/thousand hours you would see a difference if you would suddenly watch a 1.85:1 picture.
But if you don't just watch one type of aspect ratio or let the same TV logo at the top of your corner be constantly on. Then you would have minimized the risk of a burn in.
There are basicly two types between CRT and LCD/DLP.
The CRT people put image quality top of their priority, hazzle with the now and then convergence calibration is second on their priority list. The LCD/DLP camp is prioritizing the unit to be mobile, they want to watch movies/tv without having to fix a light controlled room etc.
The CRT people (I'm one of them) won't compromise with the image quality and as you said it's still supirior in image quality.
My CRT is not one of the top models but in the middle, Barco 808. The only DLP/LCD I've seen that come close is the Marantz SL2 (don't remember the model, the HD2 chip model).
But that would cost me six times what I bought my Barco for.
LCD/DLP is closing in on CRT, but CRT is still the reference so you decide if you want the best PQ right now or wait.
So in the end it comes down to personal reference, if you're happy with a picture that has 97% of the CRT image quality then that is fine. But for those that simply want the best looking image won't be satisfied with 97%.
Now I'll go back and watch a movie on my 95" screen 🙂
What KennyG did was to tell you that you were wrong in some of your statements. E.g. warmup time etc.
What is wrong with that ?
Yes you wrote that the "overall image quality" is supirior on the CRT. That is what counts for me, I wouldn't like a sharp grey picture so the choice was easy for me.
You can find pros and cons on any equipment you consider.
With CRT's it's the size, setup need for light control, etc. With LCD/DLP it's the screendoor, rainbow effects, grey blacks or even blue on some Sony models.
Scan rate, don't realy know what the problem is.
Yes you certainly want a HTPC or Scaler but that is the same for LCD/DLP. Only that some models have a built in DCDI chip. But that is something you pay for in the end anyway.
With a CRT you can almost output anything to it as long as it has enough bandwidth but on a LCD/DLP you have to match the panelsize, scan rate on the DLP chip/LCD panels etc.
So neither is without hazzle if you want to push it to the limit.
Burn in, yes and no.
Usually once you've setup your CRT PJ you dont' want to move it around. You wouldn't get a burn in if you mix your viewing content. Meaining, if you would only watch 2.35:1 material after a couple of hundred/thousand hours you would see a difference if you would suddenly watch a 1.85:1 picture.
But if you don't just watch one type of aspect ratio or let the same TV logo at the top of your corner be constantly on. Then you would have minimized the risk of a burn in.
There are basicly two types between CRT and LCD/DLP.
The CRT people put image quality top of their priority, hazzle with the now and then convergence calibration is second on their priority list. The LCD/DLP camp is prioritizing the unit to be mobile, they want to watch movies/tv without having to fix a light controlled room etc.
The CRT people (I'm one of them) won't compromise with the image quality and as you said it's still supirior in image quality.
My CRT is not one of the top models but in the middle, Barco 808. The only DLP/LCD I've seen that come close is the Marantz SL2 (don't remember the model, the HD2 chip model).
But that would cost me six times what I bought my Barco for.
LCD/DLP is closing in on CRT, but CRT is still the reference so you decide if you want the best PQ right now or wait.
So in the end it comes down to personal reference, if you're happy with a picture that has 97% of the CRT image quality then that is fine. But for those that simply want the best looking image won't be satisfied with 97%.
Now I'll go back and watch a movie on my 95" screen 🙂
just some info...
For anyone interested.
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/projection-tv3.htm
zardoz
For anyone interested.
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/projection-tv3.htm
zardoz
who cares's
who care's about crt, give it up guys and get along, im here for the lcd diy not for arguing, so lets take a joke and get on with it, if u go with crt, go with crt, if u go with lcd, go with lcd and if u go with dlp, go with dlp, personal choice and budget guys not a compitition
Trev
who care's about crt, give it up guys and get along, im here for the lcd diy not for arguing, so lets take a joke and get on with it, if u go with crt, go with crt, if u go with lcd, go with lcd and if u go with dlp, go with dlp, personal choice and budget guys not a compitition
Trev
Image continuity meaning a perfectly square image. You don't get that with CRT. Sure, a good one you get so close you can't tell, but I'm thinking in concept, not in reality. In concept, and LCD is closer to film. In reality, the technology is not there yet because it can't even come remotely close to producing true black levels, thus limiting it's color reproduction.
You don't have to worry about scan frequency, or line doubling with LCD. ALL LCD's have a built in scaler. There is no analog line drawing going on, so it's a non-issue. Give the thing a digital feed and forget about it. No upconverting, 3:2 pulldown, or any of that stuff matters. It's all whatever your source is. Get a nice software DVD player and your set.
A year ago, resolution was a major limiting factor in digital projectors. That is now changing. There are 1920x1080 LCD's out there now (extremely expensive of course). So that's one thing that is quickly catching up to CRT.
I guess my point is this. Eliminate resolution and black levels as a factor. EVERY thing else about LCD is better than CRT once you do that. Of course, you can't do that because those two things are probably the most important factors as far as image quality is concerned. But those are the only two solid thing keeping CRT around, and they are two solid things that you can point a finger at. If you look at the direction things are heading, you will someday get the best of both worlds, and that will be from DLP and/or LCD, not CRT. CRT technology peaked a while ago. Digital is in it's infancy, and as crappy looking as it is now, it's other advantages are pretty significant. Significant enough to where people are already buying them instead of CRT.
As much of a digital supporter I must sound like, I am very much against replacing film projectors in theatres with 1920x1080 video projectors (which is what they're trying to do BTW).
That being said, I've been reading a lot over at AVS, and I might have been overreacting to the burn-in issue, which was 95% of the reason why I started this thread. It's still an issue, and I don't like the idea of even the paranoia that would come along while playing a video game. I just want to relax and enjoy myself.
I don't like the cockiness that has developed from CRT lovers. There are people who think a projector shouldn't be wasted on a video game. These are people who develop their opinions and beliefs years ago, and stay true to a traditional viewpoint. Not a good way to think when it comes to technology.
You don't have to worry about scan frequency, or line doubling with LCD. ALL LCD's have a built in scaler. There is no analog line drawing going on, so it's a non-issue. Give the thing a digital feed and forget about it. No upconverting, 3:2 pulldown, or any of that stuff matters. It's all whatever your source is. Get a nice software DVD player and your set.
A year ago, resolution was a major limiting factor in digital projectors. That is now changing. There are 1920x1080 LCD's out there now (extremely expensive of course). So that's one thing that is quickly catching up to CRT.
I guess my point is this. Eliminate resolution and black levels as a factor. EVERY thing else about LCD is better than CRT once you do that. Of course, you can't do that because those two things are probably the most important factors as far as image quality is concerned. But those are the only two solid thing keeping CRT around, and they are two solid things that you can point a finger at. If you look at the direction things are heading, you will someday get the best of both worlds, and that will be from DLP and/or LCD, not CRT. CRT technology peaked a while ago. Digital is in it's infancy, and as crappy looking as it is now, it's other advantages are pretty significant. Significant enough to where people are already buying them instead of CRT.
As much of a digital supporter I must sound like, I am very much against replacing film projectors in theatres with 1920x1080 video projectors (which is what they're trying to do BTW).
That being said, I've been reading a lot over at AVS, and I might have been overreacting to the burn-in issue, which was 95% of the reason why I started this thread. It's still an issue, and I don't like the idea of even the paranoia that would come along while playing a video game. I just want to relax and enjoy myself.
I don't like the cockiness that has developed from CRT lovers. There are people who think a projector shouldn't be wasted on a video game. These are people who develop their opinions and beliefs years ago, and stay true to a traditional viewpoint. Not a good way to think when it comes to technology.
lifter
may i add without anyone taking this the wrong way but the black levels in film aren't perfect either, and i think when u buy or make somthing to enjoy u dont use it too pic faults, ok nothing and no one is perfect but in the end u do get what you pay for and technology is where it stands, and personally i think the black levels in lcd technology are fine, u dont look for colours and pixels when we watch movies now do we lol well i dont
cheers and happy easter everyone
may i add without anyone taking this the wrong way but the black levels in film aren't perfect either, and i think when u buy or make somthing to enjoy u dont use it too pic faults, ok nothing and no one is perfect but in the end u do get what you pay for and technology is where it stands, and personally i think the black levels in lcd technology are fine, u dont look for colours and pixels when we watch movies now do we lol well i dont
cheers and happy easter everyone
Lifter,
I agree, LCD/DLP/The next thing will "win" or whatever you call it because of the easier setup etc and it does how more light output then a CRT. I don't think anyone will argue with you that CRT won't go away just as any other technology.
Still at the moment CRT has the best PQ and both LCD/DLP strive to get that PQ. At which time I'll replace my CRT.
But I have a feeling it won't happen in a couple of years.
If you use a computer / software DVD player the computer will scale the image for you. That is what I'm doing with my HTPC.
The built in scalers are often junk and that is the reason people use an HTPC for both LCD/DLP/CRT because it's cheaper then buying a standalone scaler.
But as I said, some have built in scalers like Faroudja's DCDI.
And yes some are "old" in the game and has set their standards to what it was years ago. But even with that very few digital PJ's come close to CRT today.
So if you want best PQ right now for not so much money a CRT isn't such a bad thing.
But everything is up to one and another to get what he/she wants.
I agree, LCD/DLP/The next thing will "win" or whatever you call it because of the easier setup etc and it does how more light output then a CRT. I don't think anyone will argue with you that CRT won't go away just as any other technology.
Still at the moment CRT has the best PQ and both LCD/DLP strive to get that PQ. At which time I'll replace my CRT.
But I have a feeling it won't happen in a couple of years.
If you use a computer / software DVD player the computer will scale the image for you. That is what I'm doing with my HTPC.
The built in scalers are often junk and that is the reason people use an HTPC for both LCD/DLP/CRT because it's cheaper then buying a standalone scaler.
But as I said, some have built in scalers like Faroudja's DCDI.
And yes some are "old" in the game and has set their standards to what it was years ago. But even with that very few digital PJ's come close to CRT today.
So if you want best PQ right now for not so much money a CRT isn't such a bad thing.
But everything is up to one and another to get what he/she wants.
Re: who cares's
Agreed...I just don't like misinformation as it relates to what is still the best picture quality in HT.
If the digitals make you happy, then who is to argue that? However persons who are making a projector decision based on what people with no CRT experience say may be disappointed...and the header of this thread was "CRT is no good IMO" written by one of two people...someone who's never had one, or someone who had one, and didn't know how to set it up...or maybe someone who had a very old one. (read 1980's or older)
I have said nothing mean spirited against anyone in this thread...I simply had to spread a little truth.
blarpie, I don't think Lifter's comments were actually directed at me (at least I didn't take them that way)
ace3000_1 said:
Agreed...I just don't like misinformation as it relates to what is still the best picture quality in HT.
If the digitals make you happy, then who is to argue that? However persons who are making a projector decision based on what people with no CRT experience say may be disappointed...and the header of this thread was "CRT is no good IMO" written by one of two people...someone who's never had one, or someone who had one, and didn't know how to set it up...or maybe someone who had a very old one. (read 1980's or older)
I have said nothing mean spirited against anyone in this thread...I simply had to spread a little truth.
blarpie, I don't think Lifter's comments were actually directed at me (at least I didn't take them that way)
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