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Exactly.
1/ A perfect amp won't exist as soon as it sees that it has to please the death-metal-lovers as well as smooth-jazz-lovers, as humans come in so many variety of tastes.
2/ There is one amp for everyone.
3/ Each chooses his/her own amp, the one that matches his/her style(of enjoying the music he/she likes).
4/ Just that one was fooled by his/her amp and/or has an amp which he/she thinks is "exceptional", don't mean he/she should be in despair seeing someone else's amp
5/ I have chosen to overlook the distortions, etc. and objection, etc. and sure am enjoying the music at its best.
6/ I don't push my pals to have the same type of amp I own even if it gave me so much.
An excellent summary of what I consider should be common sense set of rules

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Wavebourn,
All the ancient, worthless, misleading THD and IM measurement protocols need to be dismissed and replaced with completely redefined ones.Does your mother-in-law have a Magical Formula? If she does not, her criticism is not constructive.
I have been trying to understand for more than a year now why is it that amplifers that post lowers THD are not class A ?
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The real answer is "Because Class A amps don't need to have such low THD numbers. Engineers could use feedback and other techniques to get the THD number down but they don't.
The reason they don't is that the distortion products of a class A amp sound different from the distortion products of an AB or B amp. The class B distortion is more harsh to the ears and really can't be allowed to be large whereas the class A distortion is not quite so bad and more of it can be allowed to reach the speakers.
I think what I'm saying is that designers try to build amps that sound good to them and let the THD number fall where it may.
Think of "THD" number is measuring about the same thing as "Pounds" caught in a fishing net. The fisherman cares about pounds but he cares even more about the kind of fish.
The "T" in "THD" stands for Total and lumps together a lot of different kinds of artifacts. I think you can use THD only to compar very similar amps. If you use THD to compare a Class A and Class B amp it is like saying "The class A has 3 pounds of apples and the Class B has 1 pound of oranges.
I'll disagree with you... single number THD is useless...
No it's not useless. If you are trying to sell amps to people who read specs THD is second only to "watts" as a marketing tool. You have to remember that most people who buy amps don't know much about them.
We see the same thing with cameras. People think they know what a "megapixel" is so that is the number the marking people push.
An excellent summary of what I consider should be common sense set of rules![]()

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Everything else the same, class A is best. Heat is the only problem.
Exactly.
The best things in this world always need great sacrifices. Class-A is no different.
Like many Class-A lovers, the wise people decide whether they can sacrifice enough money on the heatsink, rather than criticize the topology. 😎
Everything else the same, class A is best. Heat is the only problem.
Why? If I increase the supply voltage on my class A amp, it suddenly becomes an AB. Does that make it sound worse??
jd
No it's not useless. If you are trying to sell amps to people who read specs THD is second only to "watts" as a marketing tool.
There is that...
dave
You will have distortions by turn-off.Why? If I increase the supply voltage on my class A amp, it suddenly becomes an AB. Does that make it sound worse??
jd
If polarize the transistors in class A is necessary more current (Ib) in drivers, in most cases increases the distortion in class A, using BJTs is difficult to achieve high gain, I prefer Super A instead of Class A.
You will have distortions by turn-off.
If polarize the transistors in class A is necessary more current (Ib) in drivers, in most cases increases the distortion in class A, using BJTs is difficult to achieve high gain, I prefer Super A instead of Class A.
I'm not turning off anything. Just raising supply voltage. How does that make for different sound, if I play the same music at the same level?
jd
I'm not turning off anything. Just raising supply voltage. How does that make for different sound, if I play the same music at the same level?
jd
Yes, if you keep a low level you will not have distortions Turn-off, but the current in output stage must be less than current Bias...
Why? If I increase the supply voltage on my class A amp, it suddenly becomes an AB. Does that make it sound worse??
Why?
If you increase the supply voltage on my class A amp, it will never become an AB. However, at some point it may turn into a stove, and you will be able to grill a crusty smelly chicken.

Just raising supply voltage. How does that make for different sound, if I play the same music at the same level?
It is different in a couple areas. There is greater transistor
temperature, and the voltage across the device is different,
which alters the load line.
Both may be reasonably subtle, but they are easily measured.
🙂
It is different in a couple areas. There is greater transistor
temperature, and the voltage across the device is different,
which alters the load line.
Both may be reasonably subtle, but they are easily measured.
🙂
Agreed. I wonder if the higher temp in itself would be audible. And also with a higher supply, whether the relative Vce (or Vds) change over the same cycle as with the class A case would be audible; measureable it would actually be better I think.
But I don't think you can say in general that class A is better than AB in all cases.
BTW Thanks for the beer 🙂
jd
shaan,
Edit: don`t bother with measurement data.
I see, you are not familiar with my standpoint regarding this subject.Are you supporting me or are you not? I'm confused.
Edit: don`t bother with measurement data.
In order to correspond with our sense of hearing, the generated harmonics must decline evenly with increasing order. Unfortunately, not so many devices are willing to produce harmonics in that pattern even in a single-ended class A configuration. The single-ended class A, however, implies no harmonic cancellation, which is a condition of healthy tonal balance. (Harmonic cancellation is a measure of linearity). Low THD figures indicate an impoverishment of harmonic content.This way the entire thing would become as boring as music with 0.1% 3rd harmonic, 0.001% 5th harmonic, 0.0001% 7th harmonic.
And to tell the truth, objective quality measurement often saves life, as the user ultimately believes he's got the best in the world amp. Don't you think that's right?
There is an inherent absurdity in quantifying subjective values mathematically and technically. It is an absolute waste of time.
shaan,
Again:
Again:
There is an inherent absurdity in quantifying subjective values mathematically and technically. It is an absolute waste of time.And to tell the truth, objective quality measurement often saves life, as the user ultimately believes he's got the best in the world amp. Don't you think that's right?
shaan,
Again:
There is an inherent absurdity in quantifying subjective values mathematically and technically. It is an absolute waste of time.
Only if everyone used to think this way, everyone could be at peace.
Agreed. I wonder if the higher temp in itself would be audible. And also with a higher supply, whether the relative Vce (or Vds) change over the same cycle as with the class A case would be audible; measureable it would actually be better I think.
But I don't think you can say in general that class A is better than AB in all cases.
BTW Thanks for the beer 🙂
jd
My experience listing to the same amp/system (nothing changed but temperature) was that there was very little, if any, difference in sound when the temperature of the entire amp was changed in 10 degree increments (Fahrenheit). The amp was in a constant temperature oven and the oven temperature was set at 80F initially. The amp was stabilized for one hour while powered up. Listening begin at this time. What I found to be clearly audible was the period when the amp was going from one temperature to another, either up or down. Once the temperature stabilized, I could hear no difference at 90F, 100F or 110F.
As for increasing the supply voltage, you might hear an improvement if the amp were playing very dynamic music. Would you rather listen to switching or clipping?
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