Which of these circuits is the more correct way to construct a CFP output with parallel pairs? Is there a better topology than either version?
Slone used the circuit on the left, but I've seen versions like that shown on the right. The only difference being the position of the emitter resistors.
Has anyone had any good experiences with ferrite beads as gate stoppers to prevent parasitics?
Slone used the circuit on the left, but I've seen versions like that shown on the right. The only difference being the position of the emitter resistors.
Has anyone had any good experiences with ferrite beads as gate stoppers to prevent parasitics?
Thanks for the tips, I'll get on with some more research!
I've had a quick glance at the ESP circuit, and it does seem to make a lot more sense. The circuit on the left is from one of Slones designs, but it just doesn't seem right to me.
Any suggestions for more reading on CFP? Self and Slone mention it, but dont go into great detail, particularly regarding parallel pairs. Info in the art of electronics is pretty scant too.
I've had a quick glance at the ESP circuit, and it does seem to make a lot more sense. The circuit on the left is from one of Slones designs, but it just doesn't seem right to me.
Any suggestions for more reading on CFP? Self and Slone mention it, but dont go into great detail, particularly regarding parallel pairs. Info in the art of electronics is pretty scant too.
The first one (resistors in the drain) is obviously useless, the second one (resistors in the source) will help equalize quiescent current between paralleled mosfets but not much else.
A practical stage needs source resistors in the output devices if two or more are to be paralleled, and overall thermal feedback, that is to say: the drains of the mosfets should connect to the emitter of the driver transistor. An emitter resistor used as compensation should be considered separately.
As was already said: Rod Elliot's P27 does it just as it should, only without the sometimes necessary frequency compensation resistor.
A practical stage needs source resistors in the output devices if two or more are to be paralleled, and overall thermal feedback, that is to say: the drains of the mosfets should connect to the emitter of the driver transistor. An emitter resistor used as compensation should be considered separately.
As was already said: Rod Elliot's P27 does it just as it should, only without the sometimes necessary frequency compensation resistor.
So what we're looking for is more like this:That one's right.
I'm mean a resistor in series with the input transistor's emitter, not the overall CFP emitter resistor. Read up on CFB amplifiers, a CFP is just a very simple single ended unity gain CFB amplifier, the theory is exactly the same.
The resistor I'm talking about is the same as the resistor in series with the inverting input of a CFB opamp used to stabilize it.
I'm mean a resistor in series with the input transistor's emitter, not the overall CFP emitter resistor. Read up on CFB amplifiers, a CFP is just a very simple single ended unity gain CFB amplifier, the theory is exactly the same.
The resistor I'm talking about is the same as the resistor in series with the inverting input of a CFB opamp used to stabilize it.
Re: Re: CFP output emitter resistors
I'm not sure I really agree. Why would they introduce dsitortion? We're trying to stop oscillation at MHz here, so there's clearly no need to choose a bead that will have an effect anywhere near the audio band. Do you have some data or experience with them?
For anyone who's intersted, here's the appnote that I found while digging around for information on parasitic oscillation with FETs.
http://www.microsemi.com/micnotes/APT0402.pdf
I can't find much in audio literature regarding ferite beads, so I'm wondering if this is something that may have been overlooked, or whether there is in fact a good reason they're not used. I can't see distortion being one of them though.
myhrrhleine said:
I'm not sure I really agree. Why would they introduce dsitortion? We're trying to stop oscillation at MHz here, so there's clearly no need to choose a bead that will have an effect anywhere near the audio band. Do you have some data or experience with them?
For anyone who's intersted, here's the appnote that I found while digging around for information on parasitic oscillation with FETs.
http://www.microsemi.com/micnotes/APT0402.pdf
I can't find much in audio literature regarding ferite beads, so I'm wondering if this is something that may have been overlooked, or whether there is in fact a good reason they're not used. I can't see distortion being one of them though.
The microsemi article is applicable to switching inverters or any time high dV/dt occurs. The value of the ferrite bead should be such that it's resistive impedance is several times greater than the parasitic impedances at the ringing frequency. The greatest contributions to the parasitics are the source inductance (typically 10 to 15nH) and the reverse gate-drain capacitance. For example, if you see 100MHz ringing in the gate, the Crss is probably about 170p at the voltage where osciallations are happening. The charachteristic impedance is sqrt(L/C) which is about 10ohms. If you install a ferrite bead in series with the gate which has an impedance of 25 to 50 ohms at 100MHz , oscillations will be damped.
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