The relaxing effect may help someone fall asleep. Too bad it doesn't help them stay asleep. Alcohol also changes the sleep architecture (among other things it postpones the REM sleep) so I'm not a fan of alcohol as a remedy for bad sleep.
I meant it for muscle discomfort/relaxation. I have no pain while I'm walking around, but when I relax and lay down on bed I feel the pain in my lower back. So, a couple of Aleve pills, 3mg of Melotonin and a double shot of a good Bas Armagnac or Bacardi while I watch 15 min of TV does it for me... for six hours, or longer.
Also, I don't eat for four hours before going to bed. That seems to help my back muscle pains. I don't know why, but it does.
It's definitely something in the gene make up. My gene pool has been in its cups for at least 3000 years!
I meant it for muscle discomfort/relaxation. I have no pain while I'm walking around, but when I relax and lay down on bed I feel the pain in my lower back. So, a couple of Aleve pills, 3mg of Melotonin and a double shot of a good Bas Armagnac or Bacardi while I watch 15 min of TV does it for me... for six hours, or longer.
Also, I don't eat for four hours before going to bed. That seems to help my back muscle pains. I don't know why, but it does.
It's definitely something in the gene make up. My gene pool has been in its cups for at least 3000 years!
Depends on the stomach, quantity, diet. I'm extremely tolerant of ibuprofen and naproxen. Definitely YMMV. I found nothing to replace them and during two nasty bouts of sciatica and recovery from a hip resurfacing, they made a big difference to what I could do...
Not especially germany only : You can equally go for excellence in those areas if you can't affoard Boston : France, Netherlands, Germany, Swiss Italy.
Germany is good for holystic approach as is France too.
Singapor and Japan, but here speaking barrier (Japan). Singapor is certainly as expensive than US, duno .
Avoid Chiro and ostheo here, imo. Idem for Chromnuts.
I read fastly Cymbalta mentionned : on the forbiden list here, dangerous.
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I'm sorry to read of all the bodily affliction shared here by fellows of this forum. Next time I go off to complain about something, I think I'll hold my tongue.
I've had low back spasm after doing something stupid, as lifting or horsing something into place in frustration. Sometimes Ibuprofen helps, sometimes it doesnt. Going way, way, way out on a limb here, I've found that the "herbal supplement" called "kratom" is the only medicine that's ever reversed / relieved an oncoming "my back's out" situation. It's definitely a nerve agent and I assume - for me - it suppresses the "feedback loop" that locks my spine up and keeps it locked until its darn ready to let go again.
As I dont do much hefting of heavy / unwieldy objects these days - like getting a boat straight on a trailer, while others await to use the ramp - I fortunately only use it very intermittently. I dont know what would happen with use for a chronic condition. It may be better than ibuprofen overall, as it is at least a natural substance, i.e. a plant.
I've recently started a practice of qi-gong, which purports to move energy through the body, flushing stuck and stagnant energy, bringing in fresh. It's quite easy to perform - all standing postures, mostly lifting the arms. I've read it called a "magic pill" and can concur with that description, regarding how I feel afterward. Perhaps I'm damn lucky to pick it up and practice daily before some onset renders me incapable of even lifting my arms up overhead and bring them down slowly in front of me.
I hope you find some relief soon.
I've had low back spasm after doing something stupid, as lifting or horsing something into place in frustration. Sometimes Ibuprofen helps, sometimes it doesnt. Going way, way, way out on a limb here, I've found that the "herbal supplement" called "kratom" is the only medicine that's ever reversed / relieved an oncoming "my back's out" situation. It's definitely a nerve agent and I assume - for me - it suppresses the "feedback loop" that locks my spine up and keeps it locked until its darn ready to let go again.
As I dont do much hefting of heavy / unwieldy objects these days - like getting a boat straight on a trailer, while others await to use the ramp - I fortunately only use it very intermittently. I dont know what would happen with use for a chronic condition. It may be better than ibuprofen overall, as it is at least a natural substance, i.e. a plant.
I've recently started a practice of qi-gong, which purports to move energy through the body, flushing stuck and stagnant energy, bringing in fresh. It's quite easy to perform - all standing postures, mostly lifting the arms. I've read it called a "magic pill" and can concur with that description, regarding how I feel afterward. Perhaps I'm damn lucky to pick it up and practice daily before some onset renders me incapable of even lifting my arms up overhead and bring them down slowly in front of me.
I hope you find some relief soon.
Harsh.
Though it doesn't look like something I'd ever use.
For me the main issues with all of these types of remedies are firstly they've never been tested, second, that dosing is wildly variable depending on supplier, origin, and growing conditions.
Not harsh in my opinion due to an experience and injury caused by prescribed morphine based pain killers ( used to help with serious food poisoning a few years ago).
The main side effect was that I would simply fall vertically down in a heap. I was not warned to stop driving and just managed to avoid a crash. There was no loss of consciousness throughout these falls. What did it for me was the day after the car episode whilst standing with my back leaning against a granite-topped kitchen unit I
fell scraping the rear of my ribs against three stainless steel drawer pulls. Result? Ambulance - night in A&E - MORE of the same pain-killers and two weeks sleeping in a downstairs armchair with three cracked ribs!
If those prescribed steroids (which are said to be mild and carry very few of the risks described in StephenCrooks' link) could do this I simply don't want to know.
The main side effect was that I would simply fall vertically down in a heap. I was not warned to stop driving and just managed to avoid a crash. There was no loss of consciousness throughout these falls. What did it for me was the day after the car episode whilst standing with my back leaning against a granite-topped kitchen unit I
fell scraping the rear of my ribs against three stainless steel drawer pulls. Result? Ambulance - night in A&E - MORE of the same pain-killers and two weeks sleeping in a downstairs armchair with three cracked ribs!
If those prescribed steroids (which are said to be mild and carry very few of the risks described in StephenCrooks' link) could do this I simply don't want to know.
Xrays are good at an overall view of the bones but not sensitive in detecting destruction of the bone. MRI is very sensitive in detecting early bone destruction from tumour or infection . That is why many ortho surgeons asked for Xrays and MRI at the same time.
We need to study how the changes in the degenerative bones affect the nerves and the spinal cord to formulate a treatment strategy.
Human body is an amazing structure , all our organs need to function and interact properly to make us healthy.
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Hello. another avenue for your condition is to see a pain specialist , doctor who specialise in pain management.
I know that sometimes these drs use radiofrequency waves to burn selected nerve to cut down the pain and this is a minimal invasive surgery.
I have found short term use of low dose Amitriptyline to be very beneficial. Short term/low dose [10 mg]should be very safe with minimal side effects .I use it for a week at the most and can then go months without needing it again.Plus it is a drug with a long history of use with few problems.Much more so than NSAIDs like Mobic and Celebrex which cause digestive issues and are associated with cardio vascular problems and which for me do not seem to help much.Amitriptyline seems to be especially helpful in improving the effectiveness of other therapies like physio or massage as well as stretching and mobility exercises and pain associated with muscle tension.It can help to get you moving freely again which then seems to bring other benefits.
I guess that would be me. When I buy it here in Washington state, it comes in a bag of say, appx 30 capsules. I dont do the whole bag all at once, so there's still some intelligence within extant.
So instead I take two of the pre-filled capsules to start, to see if there's a beneficial effect. For me, there is; no question. I'd do it again, without hesitation if / when in need. In my case, usage is so infrequent, they actually go bad sitting in a room temperature drawer before I can finish the package. I keep them in the freezer now, hoping to retain potency over longer times between episodes.
A fellow I worked with claimed to use it far, far more aggressively than I. He told me he'd take up to 10 capsules / day and claim still be able to function without issue in an industrial work environment as a PLC systems programmer. I'd never heard of it before meeting this fellow. Still, I'm glad I dont have to use it for any chronic condition and count my blessings in that regard.
The US DEA states (2024) "There is no legitimate medical use for kratom in the U.S.". They declare the same about "marijuana has no approved medical use for treatment in the U.S." Now I'm seeing "legitimate" and "approved" in quadrature, where something like naproxen sits squarely in the first quadrant. Perhaps they'd admit the legitimacy of infrequent marijuana use for some medical cases, but certainly would not approve it. Thanks God for the States and the particular one I happen to live in.
It's too political to go into a discussion of what constitutes a legitimate drug here in the US. I'm aware any alkaloids produced naturally within some plant as an evolutionary effort to, say, ward off pests do not fit the develop-test-manufacture-sell legitimate drug model. As such; sorry - cant do that here. But we have some nice fentanyl we can get you, approved and legitimate and yes, I do see the irony there.
IMHO, the US FDA, when assessing the safety and efficacy of a medicine, weights more importance on Pharma Industry Profits than efficacy for the patients.
The surgeon I talked about worked at a government owned teaching hospital, till about a year back. he was an Associate Professor there, now gone over to a private hospital.
The neurosurgery department there does about 2700 surgeries annually, with only 3 operating suites, DBS to trauma to meningeal bleeds, pretty nearly every nerve / spine/ brain surgery you can think of, a top rated facility in India.
Trans nasal pituitary tumor removal? One hour...
DBS? 2.5 to 4 hours for lead placement.
They have two sets of frames for DBS, a 3T Siemens MRI (in 2019), 6 to 8 faculty surgeons and 18 trainee neurosurgeons at any time.
Cost is a joke for people abroad, a spinal repair will be like $5,000, DBS is about $12,500 for Indians, basic non-rechargeable generator, the rechargeable ones are more expensive.
We see a lot of medical tourism to India, a knee replacement with DePuy / Zimmer / equally well known prosthesis is within $4,000 for a simple case (no correction) at most hospitals in India.
That is a lot cheaper and faster than the waiting periods elsewhere, I have heard years in Canada and Europe.
It is economically feasible to come to India, get both knees replaced, and travel back to EU / North America, the hospital stay is total about ten days, less than $10,000 at hospitals in smaller cities in India.
Travel is extra.
There is a bone manipulator here, pulls fingers and toes as needed to set spine, works for mild disk issues as well, charge is $2.50!
I can vouch for his skills, being an occasional patient if I lift something off center.
So, Dave, if you need help about spine or knee issues, please contact me. Other members are welcome as well.
As for competence, there are many Indian doctors in the EU and North America, who have done their basic medical training in India, their competence is well known.
I have no ties to any named business / entity named above.
There are combinations of Methcobalamin + Alpha Lipoic Acid + Folic Acid + Vitamin D3 for rebuilding bodies post surgery.
There is also a combination of Trypsin + Chymotrysin for pain and swelling control, enzymes, little drug interaction, can be taken long term without many side effects.
Your body will have individual responses, do not hold me responsible for any bad effects, the information is based on my personal experience.
The neurosurgery department there does about 2700 surgeries annually, with only 3 operating suites, DBS to trauma to meningeal bleeds, pretty nearly every nerve / spine/ brain surgery you can think of, a top rated facility in India.
Trans nasal pituitary tumor removal? One hour...
DBS? 2.5 to 4 hours for lead placement.
They have two sets of frames for DBS, a 3T Siemens MRI (in 2019), 6 to 8 faculty surgeons and 18 trainee neurosurgeons at any time.
Cost is a joke for people abroad, a spinal repair will be like $5,000, DBS is about $12,500 for Indians, basic non-rechargeable generator, the rechargeable ones are more expensive.
We see a lot of medical tourism to India, a knee replacement with DePuy / Zimmer / equally well known prosthesis is within $4,000 for a simple case (no correction) at most hospitals in India.
That is a lot cheaper and faster than the waiting periods elsewhere, I have heard years in Canada and Europe.
It is economically feasible to come to India, get both knees replaced, and travel back to EU / North America, the hospital stay is total about ten days, less than $10,000 at hospitals in smaller cities in India.
Travel is extra.
There is a bone manipulator here, pulls fingers and toes as needed to set spine, works for mild disk issues as well, charge is $2.50!
I can vouch for his skills, being an occasional patient if I lift something off center.
So, Dave, if you need help about spine or knee issues, please contact me. Other members are welcome as well.
As for competence, there are many Indian doctors in the EU and North America, who have done their basic medical training in India, their competence is well known.
I have no ties to any named business / entity named above.
There are combinations of Methcobalamin + Alpha Lipoic Acid + Folic Acid + Vitamin D3 for rebuilding bodies post surgery.
There is also a combination of Trypsin + Chymotrysin for pain and swelling control, enzymes, little drug interaction, can be taken long term without many side effects.
Your body will have individual responses, do not hold me responsible for any bad effects, the information is based on my personal experience.
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I agree, in my practice it was effective too. Sometimes the dosage was 25mg at bedtime. Well tolerated with combinated NSAID (synergistic effect). Similar combination was 15-20 yrs ago the bedtime 10-25mg clomipramine (Anafranil) + 1000mg nabumeton (Relifex). Nowadays the neurological guidelines recommend the gabapentin and pregabalin too, but they have moderate effect in my opinion.
Tolperisone and Baclofenac are also used for nerve issues here in India, for spasms.
Eterocoxib / Aceclofenac are the highest level pain killers for less than 14 days' treatment, a doctor must be consulted for cases exceeding that.
As we grow older, statins, anti hypertensives, diabetes and other medications become part of our diet, and their interactions can be complex, a trained doctor is very essential, must be consulted.
Eterocoxib / Aceclofenac are the highest level pain killers for less than 14 days' treatment, a doctor must be consulted for cases exceeding that.
As we grow older, statins, anti hypertensives, diabetes and other medications become part of our diet, and their interactions can be complex, a trained doctor is very essential, must be consulted.
I like the tolperisone, but it's removed in EU (as only post -stroke spasticism's treatment can write neurologist only). The official argument is: the tolperisone causes often allergic reaction or anaphylaxia. I have a few 150mg retard tablets pack for own usage (more than 10 yrs old, expired, but OK for me)...