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Any idea where can I find a ranking of dielectric materials by susceptibility to piezoelectric effect?

I found some information on the WEB about piezoelektrik effects of Teflon but no exact values or tables, etc., but maybe you or someone else was more lucky ?

As an aside, the effect that Wavebourn mentions is not a piezoelectric effect to the best of my knowledge. Simply if you have a cap with a given charge and change the distance between the plates this changes the voltage according to the standard formulas for capacitance.
 
Any truth in this or just marketing?

Unlike most other amp builders we take the higher longer road in construction and ensure the caps
outer foils are properly oriented throughout the amp.
In Leo's days the cap companies clearly marked the end attached to the outer foil making
placement a snap. If you look inside an old Fender you can see the caps are marked with a line
denoting the outer foil.
Nowadays each cap must be tested on an oscilloscope to determine which end has the outer
foil! Then the amp builder must know how to orient the cap properly in the various places
of the circuit.
Do it right and you have an amp that is properly voiced with less noise and better tone.
Do it any other way and the amps tone will suffer.
 
outer foil orientation

Unlike most other amp builders we take the higher longer road in construction and ensure the caps
outer foils are properly oriented throughout the amp.
In Leo's days the cap companies clearly marked the end attached to the outer foil making
placement a snap. If you look inside an old Fender you can see the caps are marked with a line
denoting the outer foil.
Nowadays each cap must be tested on an oscilloscope to determine which end has the outer
foil! Then the amp builder must know how to orient the cap properly in the various places
of the circuit.
Do it right and you have an amp that is properly voiced with less noise and better tone.
Do it any other way and the amps tone will suffer.
That much difference?
What's the proper way in AC-coupling a driver to a powertube? Outer foil holds the high potential?
 
The converse of what happens when voltage is applied. 🙂 Any idea where can I find a ranking of dielectric materials by susceptibility to piezoelectric effect? Of particular interest is silver mica. Trying to find reasons for my impressions more grounded than 'too much cough syrup'.

Hmmm, that would be an interesting read, certainly someone has researched this...anyone?
 
So industry wide, cheap Chinese capacitors were failing, and Dell was responsible?

"They are not meant to pop and leak fluid, but that is exactly what was happening earlier this decade, causing computers made by Dell, Hewlett-Packard, Apple and others to break. "

Don't you just love Spin.
 
What is strange, all of them started leaking at once... Was the fault programmed, to clean the market for new chemistry produced by the plant, after expiration of warranty?

This exactly happened in my Samsung monitor: the next month after the end of warranty time capacitors in a voltage converted failed, and it shut down itself 1-2 seconds after switching backlight on, due to too high ripples. A battery in Nissan Sentra I bought in December 2000 failed exactly the next month after battery warranty expiration. Both headphone and power sockets in Dell Inspiron 9300 notebook lost contacts just after the end of warranty, so I had to invent a curved soldering tip to repair them... Hard drive at my wife's work died the next month after warranty expiration...

Too many coincidences, don't you think?
 
Hi,

Indeed.
Nothing new either. A knowledgable engineer can design and/or predict when something will fail.
This is how the bucks are made and how companies survive.
Make something near perfect and you'll have to charge big time if not you could juist as well shut your doors right now.

Cheers, 😉
 
A capacitor has capacitance!
A capacitor has some Inductance due to it's construction but this is generally negligible?
A capacitor has resistance minimal but it's there!
A capacitor has Carisma?
A capacitor can be full of ******** and cost more than an O/P transformer?
Any thoughts and proof!!!
Mike
A duck has a bill, feet, feathers, wings, eyes etc. So do lots of other animals but they don't quack like a duck. When I use expensive caps (for me) e.g. Jensen copper, paper and oil and other good components e.g. pure silver wire as hook-up wire, the whole amp/preamp sounds a lot better.

Caps are not just caps. They all have a sonic signature, you may like it you may not. Strangely a good transformer does far less sonic harm than a good cap. Call the riot police on that one!
 
Take a look at the chemical analysis of a good red wine, then taste it. Did the analysis acurately predict how the wine would taste?

Surprisingly, to a great extent, it can. Much of the research to bring us to that point came from Australia, in fact. If you handed me (for example) a Maranges, a chemical analysis would be able to tell me that it's Pinot Noir, the general climate in which it's grown, what the winery treatments were, and the overall flavor balance.

Sorry to go OT.
 
Surprisingly, to a great extent, it can. Much of the research to bring us to that point came from Australia, in fact. If you handed me (for example) a Maranges, a chemical analysis would be able to tell me that it's Pinot Noir, the general climate in which it's grown, what the winery treatments were, and the overall flavor balance.

Sorry to go OT.
Would your taste buds and mine report the exact same taste? Bitter, sweet, dry, fruity, acidity, tannin level, chocolate, spice, cinnamon?

And what if you like it and I don't? Did the analysis tell me that or do I need to work that out for myself. Then did the analysis fail?

With caps some crude measurements that can be done and we HAVE TO know are: Capacity, voltage rating, max temp of operation, polarity of connections. Some things I like to know are: dialectric, foil material, other materials use in manufacture, possible break-in period, connector metal and cost.

I loved the original Jupiter hand made beeswax caps. But the dopey manufacturer stopped making them. How caps sound only I can answer, because it is subjective.

I think the funniest measurents I see often is distortion level with amps (pre or power). Oddly tube amps often (subjectively) have the best sound and the worst distortion figures. Some of the best sounding SS stuff has very high distortion figures and costs many 10s of 1000s! Yet receive the very best reviews. Wonder what caps they use and what wine the makers and rich purchases drink? Do they run ducks? We should ask them!
 
If all these other capacitor characteristics had such a dramatic effect as some people try to make you believe then I'm sure they already would have been well-documented, would appear in the respected datasheets, not to mention, would have been discussed to death already, as they would most definitely matter a lot more on the other fields of electronics that require far more precision than what audio does.
 
Covered in another thread. The failure was a result of mainland manufacturers all jumping on the the same stolen, and wrong, electrolyte formula. The response though was all Dell.

No,the stolen formula issue was another issue in 2001/2002. It were chinese companies that bought a stolen ( AFAIK form Rubycon ) formula for a low ESR electrolyte which was incorrectly noted down. As a result of that the electrolyte that was produced wrongly dried out and caused the caps to bulge/leak. These caps were produced by th emillions under various relatively ( by then ! ) names like Lelon, Jackcon, CapXon etc etc. Please see Badcaps.net - Badcaps Home for more brandnames.

Nichicon is an A brand and it had the problems after the "stole formula" caps were produced. It is sad that this happened to a manufacturer of known good parts but I guess it is fate.

A Dell engineer told me that the electrolyte that Nichicon used was contaminated with a substance that should not be there.
 
Sorry, while I was posting the forum went down for maintenance and I could not correct typos anymore.

No,the stolen formula issue was another issue in 2001/2002. It were some chinese companies that lacked the knowledge for making a good low ESR electrolyte and they bought a stolen ( AFAIK from Rubycon ) formula for a low ESR electrolyte from a former employee of Rubycon. Unfortunately the formula was incorrectly written down. As a result of that the electrolyte that was produced wrongly dried out and caused the caps to overheat and to bulge/leak/blow up. These caps were produced by the millions under various relatively ( by then ! ) unknown names like Lelon, Jackcon, CapXon etc etc. Please see Badcaps.net - Badcaps Home for more brandnames.

Nichicon is an A brand and it had the problems after the "stolen formula" caps were produced. It is sad that this happened to a manufacturer of known good parts but I guess it is fate.

A Dell engineer told me that the electrolyte that Nichicon used was contaminated with a substance that should not be there obviously. The phenomenon is very similar to the "stolen formula" caps though. Maybe, just maybe Nichicon had their stuff produced by the very same chinese OEM companies that produced the "stolen formula" caps but this is speculation of course
 
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