Sorry Frank but John made a measurable claim not contingent on DBT or even anything more than a low noise phono stage (no system has to be "up to it"). The claim, play an LP twice once with and once without Bybee and there is "substantial" removal of LP noise in preference to the content. I say put up or shut up.
I wonder how many demons can dance on the tip of a stylus?
I agree with Scott, in this ONE case, that this NEW and not for general sale, specially designed for low level input, Bybee Purifier should be not only measurable, but noticeable on a DBT. I am just not up to measuring it at the moment, OR doing a DBT with it. I heard what I heard, and if it works out on my home system, I will add it to the input.
To measure it, in future, I would like to further confer with Ed Simon on how he measured the Bybee that he has. I have a digital scope that might be OK, or maybe I could learn to do exotic difference testing with my HP 3563. It can do fairly complicated 'math' as well as normal FFT, I just never learned how to use it.
Scott, did you miss the Hi fi show last week?
Fas42, you are correct with a typical Bybee device. I could only initially pick up a difference with my STAX Lambda Pro electrostatic headphones, with built in direct drive vacuum tube amp and a Vendetta Phono stage, using selected vinyl recordings. However it was enough to be convinced. For the most part the Bybee's give me a more relaxed sound that reduces listening fatigue. This is something that I derive from long term listening, generally.
To measure it, in future, I would like to further confer with Ed Simon on how he measured the Bybee that he has. I have a digital scope that might be OK, or maybe I could learn to do exotic difference testing with my HP 3563. It can do fairly complicated 'math' as well as normal FFT, I just never learned how to use it.
Scott, did you miss the Hi fi show last week?
Fas42, you are correct with a typical Bybee device. I could only initially pick up a difference with my STAX Lambda Pro electrostatic headphones, with built in direct drive vacuum tube amp and a Vendetta Phono stage, using selected vinyl recordings. However it was enough to be convinced. For the most part the Bybee's give me a more relaxed sound that reduces listening fatigue. This is something that I derive from long term listening, generally.
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Why not just play a standard test record and measure the S/N with and without the Bybee?
Yes, very much so. Except that LP pops and clicks from a stereo cartridge will often find themselves high and to the outsides. Not sure why that is.
The first time I heard the "noise separation effect" I must have looked like a deer in the headlights. 😱 Or maybe more like the iconic dog Nipper listening to "His Master's Voice". I stood, fascinated and baffled by what was going on, until it finally began to sink in that all those sounds have different sonic spaces encoded into them - and some have none at all - like tape hiss. Even distortions like an over-driven mic, can sometimes detach.
Aside from the cool effect aspect, it really helps the music. When the noises seem to be in a different space, it makes them much easier to tune out, allowing you to hear what you want to hear - the music. It doesn't do anything to change bad frequency response or tonal balance, it just makes the noises much easier to ignore.
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"Not for general sale", I missed that I guess independent verification will not be possible, probably easier to get a tour of Area 51.
If you have the clearance and work for the right people it just a short plane ride from Vegas to Grooms' lake. Nice 737 but lite on the snacks though. But parking good and no tsa.
Why be insulting, Scott? IF these specific parts were generally available, then I would state that too. The effect that I heard was so obvious that I was really surprised. That is why I brought it up.
Now, Ed Simon has found measured results using HIS test method. I suspect that these parts would give much more, but I have not set up any measurement yet.
I get busy too, and I am not the test enthusiast that Ed now is.
Now, Ed Simon has found measured results using HIS test method. I suspect that these parts would give much more, but I have not set up any measurement yet.
I get busy too, and I am not the test enthusiast that Ed now is.
Yep, that's how it goes. I've got an Ike and Tina Turner CD that will slice and dice your eardrums like nothing on earth, on a 'rough' system. Picked up for $1 at a charity shop, you know straightaway why it got the flick ...
There are tracks on it done in night clubs, on whatever that was around that could record - you could sharpen knives, just by holding them in front of the tweeter!
But, the miracle can happen ... as the sound lifts, all the sludge and razor qualities shift to one side, so to speak - and the group, in all its driving glory, emerges. Absolutely amazing energy, this is music that could get a corpse to start twitching to the pulse ...
Fas 42, what are you referring to specifically? Your system, or an added Bybee, or what?
Right now I am watching the Bourne Legacy on HBO through a pair of Bybee devices, and I find that it takes some of the 'edge' from the cable sound. I also use one on my video projector as well.
In general, IF my hi fi playback system is not too 'hot', the sound quality, even with lousy sources is usually 'acceptable', more acceptable than most systems.
I attribute this to keeping the added 'garbage' factor down to a lower level.
Right now I am watching the Bourne Legacy on HBO through a pair of Bybee devices, and I find that it takes some of the 'edge' from the cable sound. I also use one on my video projector as well.
In general, IF my hi fi playback system is not too 'hot', the sound quality, even with lousy sources is usually 'acceptable', more acceptable than most systems.
I attribute this to keeping the added 'garbage' factor down to a lower level.
What does it do for video? When you say "one" I assume that means you are running a composite signal.
A highly tweaked, or optimised system, which could have been achieved through a variety of ways. Including, say, through using a Bybee - if I had one around I would certainly try it, to see if I could pick its effect ... 😉
The "added 'garbage' factor" is key - if the source is already very dirty or marginal, then even more effort needs to be made the make the playback as clean as you possibly can. Put it this way: I've never found 'dirty' plus 'dirty' gives 'clean' - if the source quality is heavily compromised by things which I can nothing about - it's in the recording - then using a compromised playback is not going to "make it better". At least, that's how it's for me.
If I optimise my system to give me the best possible clarity of "poor" source I have never found that this compromises the "good stuff". Sometimes, it reveals that 'audiophile' recordings are very bare, and plain, that they are rather uninteresting - but that's the worst of it ...
Of course, fas42, I do the same thing. I HAVE to have pretty good audio playback, before I can actually judge any differences, especially tweaks and mods.
For the record, most of my electronics has a Bybee in series with the line cord.
For the record, most of my electronics has a Bybee in series with the line cord.
Think about it. A stylus riding over debris, or playing through a dent, will predominantly move vertically. The two channels will thus be out of phase. What happens to the stereo image when the two channels are out of phase?
And yet, hospital diagnostic equipment and electron microscopes operate fine without them.
I doubt there are any on the Hadron collider as well.
I'm guessing their budget could run to a couple of Bybees if they thought it produced any advantage.
Any reason they wouldn't?
Apart from the application of recognised engineering principles and an aversion to faith-based decisionmaking that is...
I doubt there are any on the Hadron collider as well.
I'm guessing their budget could run to a couple of Bybees if they thought it produced any advantage.
Any reason they wouldn't?
Apart from the application of recognised engineering principles and an aversion to faith-based decisionmaking that is...
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