I think the challenge is to answer 'why?', given that such behaviours are a matter of free will and many such people appear to be pretty successful and normal in other walks of life and society............some Audiophiles will go to great lengths to support and promote a load of crap, it doesn't even have to work or follow the laws of physics.....
What it says about human nature and social anthropology is the whole show in such things, IMO. That is surely far more interesting than the devices themselves.
KBK, might want to snopes or look up the lineage of the "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
(Sagan certainly popularized it!)
Nonetheless, I do find it interesting when folks tell me they trust their own perceptions. As for me--I trust myself the least out of anyone. There's no person better at fooling myself than, well, myself. At least with other people, I'm able to observe biases, etc., that I'm oblivious to in myself.
(Sagan certainly popularized it!)
Nonetheless, I do find it interesting when folks tell me they trust their own perceptions. As for me--I trust myself the least out of anyone. There's no person better at fooling myself than, well, myself. At least with other people, I'm able to observe biases, etc., that I'm oblivious to in myself.
2 is min. Ever tried to fix one without one ?Only one ?
2 is min. Ever tried to fix one without one ?
Pff. That's what 2-channel scopes are for. Use Ch.2 to fix Ch.1 after you find the B+ in the Ampeg SVT.
You counted the same thing twice.
No. In the first case I pointed out that the devices measure as a low-value resistor, using what you called "sensitive measuring devices". In the other case I pointed out that the devices behave just like a low-value resistor; put another way, in the few controlled listening tests that I have seen, nobody could distinguish between a BQP and a low-value resistor.
You obviously haven't understood the exercise.
Obviously, no argument here.
Sorry I didn't get the "integers only" thing. I will happily round down from +0.1 to 0. Let me explain why: The "measurement" that I think you refer to which purports to show an effect, and which John presents here from time to time, doesn't show very much. It does not compare the result with the insertion of a similar value resistor. It appears to show some HF filtering (how high?) between neutral and ground in a mains supply, which we might expect to see when a resistor is added to a circuit with some shunt capacitance. Since these things are also supposed to work in speaker leads, interconnects, and DC supplies, I'm not sure how much relevance these pictures have to the suggested use cases. So I'm happy with "0".
KBK is an entertaining storyteller. It's performance art to be enjoyed for its own sake.
Yes, adhering to truth is so limiting!
No matter how much people like these say that truth is bad and reality is far more plastic or simply misunderstood, after they have their meetings, they always leave by the door and never by the window!
You guys criticize a lot, but you don't have any test equipment, hi fi equipment, etc to speak of.
I am... speechless.
The "measurement" that I think you refer to which purports to show an effect, and which John presents here from time to time, doesn't show very much.
Actually, it shows nothing. When pressed, John admitted that he didn't know how the measurement was taken, what the setup was, what equipment was used, or what it actually meant. The one guy who actually DID know about the equipment and measurement was jneutron, who had quite a bit of experience with it, and he ripped it to shreds.
I can actually duplicate a measurement like that, but show the "filtering" effect with the control resistor compared to the scam component. I'll give you three guesses how.
but you don't have any test equipment, hi fi equipment, etc to speak of.
Mr. Curl,
would that not imply that with such 'equipment', devices as BQP's have nil added value, and as such are a waste of money ?
(Ken is so '60-'70s, endearing really. I wonder what hi fi equipment he has to show for himself.)
Actually, it shows nothing. When pressed, John admitted that he didn't know how the measurement was taken, what the setup was, what equipment was used, or what it actually meant. The one guy who actually DID know about the equipment and measurement was jneutron, who had quite a bit of experience with it, and he ripped it to shreds.
I can actually duplicate a measurement like that, but show the "filtering" effect with the control resistor compared to the scam component. I'll give you three guesses how.
Is jneutron no longer with us?
se
I am... speechless.
Quick, frame this post!
sounds like something from spinal tap
Yikes! Snatched the words from b'neath me fingers, ye did! Creepy.
-- Jim ("No - don't even look at that one.")
Is jneutron no longer with us?
se
He's on hiatus for a while. We've been intermittently in touch. I hope to see him back, full of his usual sharp analyses.
Is jneutron no longer with us?
se
He's working on a classified government defence contract, so we can't discuss him anymore. Everyone knows what hes doing, we just can't talk about it.
...What it says about human nature and social anthropology is the whole show in such things, IMO. That is surely far more interesting than the devices themselves.
Precisely. Not saying a lot relative to the baseline, but yes, always.
I just wish I could be a more detached observer sometimes. I'm kind of an angry old objectivist anymore - just had my fill of all this voodoo nonsense, I guess. How do you guys do it?
-- Jim
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