Hello,
I am going to build a 2-way TL and would like to get some advice and suggestions. The midwoofer is Scan-Speak 15W8530K00 with parameters: http://www.tymphany.com/scanspeak/data/15w_8530k00d.htm
I have searched through the internet and found very helpful and proffessional sites like Martin J. Kings and t-line.org. Now I am wondering which would be the best design for these midwoofers, TL length, damping, driver placement, foldings etc.
All opinions and suggestions are welcome 🙂
Ray
I am going to build a 2-way TL and would like to get some advice and suggestions. The midwoofer is Scan-Speak 15W8530K00 with parameters: http://www.tymphany.com/scanspeak/data/15w_8530k00d.htm
I have searched through the internet and found very helpful and proffessional sites like Martin J. Kings and t-line.org. Now I am wondering which would be the best design for these midwoofers, TL length, damping, driver placement, foldings etc.
All opinions and suggestions are welcome 🙂
Ray
Try reading Bob Brines articles on TL design:
http://www.geocities.com/rbrines1/Articles.html
These should give you the necessary preparation to go to Martin King's site, which you've alreadly looked at, and download MathCad Explorer 8, and his TL worksheets, and try a design for yourself. That's a low Q driver, so it's prabably best in a straight TL -it'll need a wad of correction to bring the response into line though, and a touch of series resistance wouldn't hurt. It's not a particularly efficient driver though, so you're going to need a pretty powerful amp: SETs and Tamps are definately out!
Try something like a top and bottom area of 4 times the driver surface area, a line length of 40 - 45 inches and a 3x3 inch port as starting values to plug into MathCad, then play around with these until you hit on something acceptable.
Best
Scott
http://www.geocities.com/rbrines1/Articles.html
These should give you the necessary preparation to go to Martin King's site, which you've alreadly looked at, and download MathCad Explorer 8, and his TL worksheets, and try a design for yourself. That's a low Q driver, so it's prabably best in a straight TL -it'll need a wad of correction to bring the response into line though, and a touch of series resistance wouldn't hurt. It's not a particularly efficient driver though, so you're going to need a pretty powerful amp: SETs and Tamps are definately out!
Try something like a top and bottom area of 4 times the driver surface area, a line length of 40 - 45 inches and a 3x3 inch port as starting values to plug into MathCad, then play around with these until you hit on something acceptable.
Best
Scott
Don't need a TL with these
These drivers give amazing bass in a small box. My friend built a 13.7 litre box and the sound was mind blowing with the S-S 2905-9500 tweeters.
These drivers give amazing bass in a small box. My friend built a 13.7 litre box and the sound was mind blowing with the S-S 2905-9500 tweeters.
Thanks. Can you tell me what kind of crossover he made.
I´d like to make a TL because I dont like boxy sound that BR box may do, altough havent heard them in BR.
Can someone help me to get a reasonable responce from these drivers in TL, if it is possible?
I´d like to make a TL because I dont like boxy sound that BR box may do, altough havent heard them in BR.
Can someone help me to get a reasonable responce from these drivers in TL, if it is possible?
If you wish to use a 'traditional' (not mass-loaded) TL, you might want to taper the line and, if possible, offset the driver more. This will attenuate the higher frequency peaks slighly more.
What do you think about this sim?
Line parameters (TL Offset Driver.mcd):
Length: 70 inch
Offset: 18 inch
Driver end: 3.25 x Sd
Open end: 0.9 x Sd
Density: 0.35 Lb/Ft3
What do you think about this sim?
Line parameters (TL Offset Driver.mcd):
Length: 70 inch
Offset: 18 inch
Driver end: 3.25 x Sd
Open end: 0.9 x Sd
Density: 0.35 Lb/Ft3
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hey,
thank you arcturus, your ideas really work 🙂 seems that tapered line works better in that case. 🙂
But what about "Helmholtz resonators" like here: http://www.visaton.de/english/artikel/art_585_6_20_2.html
"Two internal Helmholtz resonators are in use directly behind the woofer as sound absorbers and, in conjunction with the extremely carefully positioned damping material, will ensure that the frequency response is kept beautifully smooth."
thank you arcturus, your ideas really work 🙂 seems that tapered line works better in that case. 🙂
But what about "Helmholtz resonators" like here: http://www.visaton.de/english/artikel/art_585_6_20_2.html
"Two internal Helmholtz resonators are in use directly behind the woofer as sound absorbers and, in conjunction with the extremely carefully positioned damping material, will ensure that the frequency response is kept beautifully smooth."
Greets!
For low Qt drivers, I prefer a well damped vent tuned pipe to get more gain than a 'classic' TL can provide:
L = 48.43"
SO, SL = 366.62"^2
rp = 3.416"
Lp = 0.75"
density = 0.3-0.4 lbs/ft^3 if polyfil
Due to the damping, driver position isn't too critical, so anywhere between ~10.25" - 21.25" down from the top.
GM
For low Qt drivers, I prefer a well damped vent tuned pipe to get more gain than a 'classic' TL can provide:
L = 48.43"
SO, SL = 366.62"^2
rp = 3.416"
Lp = 0.75"
density = 0.3-0.4 lbs/ft^3 if polyfil
Due to the damping, driver position isn't too critical, so anywhere between ~10.25" - 21.25" down from the top.
GM
Greets!
You supposed wrong. 😉 You did inadvertantly gain some insight into how to easily convert a ML-TL (your sim) into a true TL variant, though the vent is much too small for a low vent mach at rated power and the driver's ideal location will be somewhat lower.
GM
You supposed wrong. 😉 You did inadvertantly gain some insight into how to easily convert a ML-TL (your sim) into a true TL variant, though the vent is much too small for a low vent mach at rated power and the driver's ideal location will be somewhat lower.
GM
GM:
I didn't realize that your design uses a resistance port (Variovent?) at the TL's open end. Perhaps that's why I got a SPL peak at ~38Hz of about 8dB magnitude in my simulation. (ML-TQWT.mcd)
But don't you think it's quite a big enclosure needed for this?
I've never seen a "restrictive port" used with a TL-enclosure. I've seen that technique used only with sealed enclosures, that's why I didn't understand you at first. I'm sorry
I didn't realize that your design uses a resistance port (Variovent?) at the TL's open end. Perhaps that's why I got a SPL peak at ~38Hz of about 8dB magnitude in my simulation. (ML-TQWT.mcd)
But don't you think it's quite a big enclosure needed for this?
I've never seen a "restrictive port" used with a TL-enclosure. I've seen that technique used only with sealed enclosures, that's why I didn't understand you at first. I'm sorry
Greets!
No problem, you made a reasonable assumption based on 'classic' TL design thoughts and the sims. Sure you have! A reverse tapered TL is a restrictive (mass loaded) port alignment, I just kept it simple to build. Add enough stuffing and it's ~aperiodic (aka resistive, Variovent loaded), so to compensate for the damping, more box efficiency is required to boost it back up just as the sim predicts.
GM
No problem, you made a reasonable assumption based on 'classic' TL design thoughts and the sims. Sure you have! A reverse tapered TL is a restrictive (mass loaded) port alignment, I just kept it simple to build. Add enough stuffing and it's ~aperiodic (aka resistive, Variovent loaded), so to compensate for the damping, more box efficiency is required to boost it back up just as the sim predicts.
GM
Hello,
new year, maybe more ideas... Still looking for a best (TL) design for my drivers 🙂
Maybe someone have something interesting in mind...
Thanks
new year, maybe more ideas... Still looking for a best (TL) design for my drivers 🙂
Maybe someone have something interesting in mind...
Thanks
I know this is an old thread, but how did it pan out ?...... I'm looking to use the same mid driver, as I want the best mid I can get, and it seems to well recommended. Plus the idea of TL to give that uncoloured and open sound appeals as well....
So looking to build the same !
So looking to build the same !
Same here, would like to use this driver in a TL design.
Maybe somebody can bring this topic back to life 🙂
Maybe somebody can bring this topic back to life 🙂
