Thanks PMA.
What values do u suggest for 95vdc rails.
I might now be able to do class A with that unless u are referring to the preceeding stages..
C+ and C- is that mean a CCS inserted there?
What values do u suggest for 95vdc rails.
I might now be able to do class A with that unless u are referring to the preceeding stages..
C+ and C- is that mean a CCS inserted there?
Here is mine, I used it about 25 years ago as an output stage in hybrid amp. Actually, it is a complementary opamp with an unity gain. I used diodes D1 and D4 instead of transistors in diffpairs because no transistors can survive reverse BE voltage when output is shorted. I used it as a fast fix of a vacuum tube guitar amp (Hungarian BEAG) when no replacement output transformer was available (couple of such stages as a bridge to drive 32 Ohm speaker cab). The owner decided to leave it as is, with no output tubes. Probably, it was the first hybrid amp then, though not commercially available...
As drawn, it is class AB, for class A remove diodes D2 and D3 together with pots and resistors to ground.
Edit: transistors were KT814/KT815 and KT818/KT819.
As drawn, it is class AB, for class A remove diodes D2 and D3 together with pots and resistors to ground.
Edit: transistors were KT814/KT815 and KT818/KT819.
"a HEC follower circuit"
Jan Didden's Pax amplifier output stage is a good candidate, more linear than a class A buffer, I think.
Jan Didden's Pax amplifier output stage is a good candidate, more linear than a class A buffer, I think.
Hi
Though I don't test 95V supply....Sorry,
they are some bias for buffer circuit (not main loop feed back).
(It is not designed for 95V supply,so must replace other Tr.)
It's bias with local feedback.
If I test 95V supply , I may be try below ,
(because needs over 190V spec)
Power :2ＳＪ201/2ＳＫ1530 200V/12A/150W
other all :2SA1406/2SC3600 200Ｖ/200mA//1.2W
if the supply is under 90V , I may try
:2SA1208/2SC2910 180V/70mA/0.9W
and resister 5K ohm is may be change (may be) 25K ohm.
OR chip amp LME49811,LME49830 ,not discrete
If I mistake ,I'm sorry very much ,please point out.
Regard
Though I don't test 95V supply....Sorry,
they are some bias for buffer circuit (not main loop feed back).
(It is not designed for 95V supply,so must replace other Tr.)
It's bias with local feedback.
If I test 95V supply , I may be try below ,
(because needs over 190V spec)
Power :2ＳＪ201/2ＳＫ1530 200V/12A/150W
other all :2SA1406/2SC3600 200Ｖ/200mA//1.2W
if the supply is under 90V , I may try
:2SA1208/2SC2910 180V/70mA/0.9W
and resister 5K ohm is may be change (may be) 25K ohm.
OR chip amp LME49811,LME49830 ,not discrete
If I mistake ,I'm sorry very much ,please point out.
Regard
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Thanks for the additional thoughts and parts values. I think this needs to be vetted out some more. Also I plan to use BJT's in the Output namely NJW1302 and 3281 (260v parts)
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Hi
I have one I have been playing with, I will post a schematic sketch when I get home tomorrow evening.🙂 I am working out of town for a day or so.
CCS.
I was experimenting with a circuit intended to be exactly just a current follower. Using hexfets it is rugged as far as taking abuse and in temperature of operation. I burned my finger on the very undersized heat sink once and it just kept plugging along.
That “no secondary breakdown” part. 😀 Anyway, I haven’t bothered it in weeks due to being busy with life and I forgot some of the values off hand. I will have to dig it back out of the box later. Some of the resistor values depend on the output fets so you would have to calculate (guest-imate) and experiment a bit. It might take 7VDC between the gates just to break Vth. Anyway, it is just a CCS bias buffer with a high frequency error amplifier added to, then buffered again to drive the outputs. Q5 is bias close to zero temp co, and BD140 is Vbe multiplier. I like the bias about 300mA because the error amp has to work less and there’s a little more class A power but it’s not too bad in class B.🙂 I find these fets to be less sensitive to the accuracy of the bias source so if you over-bias and then over-compensate (with the BJT) it’s pretty hard to kill. 
I guess if you use a high output voltage than you might want to limit the bootstrap. The amount of compensation required depends a lot on your layout. For Q9 and Q10 I used KSC2690 & KSA1220. Q’s 3, 4, 7, & 8 are very fast devices and can be low voltage. (<20V) One thing I like is that with the error amp gate drive you can use small source resistors and still have good bias stability with better damping that comes with a lower output Z and larger bandwidth despite the higher transconductance of the fets. So the hexfet isn’t very linear.🙄 Other than that, it makes a great output device to drive a speaker, IMO and others. So, if you can fix the non-linearity, your golden. 😉 Besides, those hexfet transistors are dollar a piece so your not out much if you screw up and melt them. 
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Hi CBS240,
---just a current follower---
You mean a voltage follower, a current follower is a completely different kind of beast.
---just a current follower---
You mean a voltage follower, a current follower is a completely different kind of beast.
Hi ! I found this very interesting and a little old thread
I was thinking to some of similar myself
My weird idea was to select using a high impedance headphone a high quality headphone amp that usually have a higher voltage gain, something like 6x.
And using this amp as a high gain preamp connect it to a power buffer without voltage gain or gain 2x to drive a pair of efficient speakers.
I would do this because I read somewhere that the VAS gives a strong print to the overall sound and so the final amp should have the same sound, more or less
Also the possibility to carry out the selection of the headphone amp with a headphone should make the selection easier I think
The power buffer that I like best by instinct is the diamond buffer
Regards,
gino
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Good evening 🙂
Have you built your power buffer in the end ? I am interested
In general I do not understand why they fixed the sensitivity of power amps around 1V when a good preamp easily output 10 V with low noise and minimal distortion
Moreover the preamp stages usually are powered by regulated voltage rails while the power amp rails are not regulated normally
I would leave to the power buffer only the dirty work, so to speak
Regards,
gino 😀
Have you built your power buffer in the end ? I am interested
In general I do not understand why they fixed the sensitivity of power amps around 1V when a good preamp easily output 10 V with low noise and minimal distortion
Moreover the preamp stages usually are powered by regulated voltage rails while the power amp rails are not regulated normally
I would leave to the power buffer only the dirty work, so to speak
Regards,
gino 😀
Hi there Gino:
Short Answer no... I never did. We had to move and all my equipment/ parts/ gear had to be packed up and most of it is still in boxes... and I picked up another hobby in the mean time. (Photography)... which is just as expensive and time consuming... but it is fun to revisit old things again.
My motivations to do this were several. but the similarity to yours is, that we can use an amplifier that sounds good to our ears, but cannot drive hungry loads on it's own...
Short Answer no... I never did. We had to move and all my equipment/ parts/ gear had to be packed up and most of it is still in boxes... and I picked up another hobby in the mean time. (Photography)... which is just as expensive and time consuming... but it is fun to revisit old things again.
My motivations to do this were several. but the similarity to yours is, that we can use an amplifier that sounds good to our ears, but cannot drive hungry loads on it's own...
Thank you for the kind answer
I have become a little obsessed with the preamp selection
To find a nice sounding solid state line preamp seems very difficult
And tube preamp have usually too high gain
Instead there are people who swear about the excellent sound quality of some headphone amps
I will search again but power buffers are quite rare actually
Kind regards,
gino
I have become a little obsessed with the preamp selection
To find a nice sounding solid state line preamp seems very difficult
And tube preamp have usually too high gain
Instead there are people who swear about the excellent sound quality of some headphone amps
I will search again but power buffers are quite rare actually
Kind regards,
gino
Here something quite opposite I experienced 20 years ago... I had build a Mj15003/4 based 200wattt power amp with cascode front end (classic 80's design). it did not need a strong pre-amp to get to full power on it's +/- 68v rails... but for some reason a friend of mine borrowed my pre amp... so i hooked a crappy 20 watt integrated amp (i think it was an extensively repaired quasi -complementary Kenwood KA-3700) as a pre-amp, taking the speak taps of the Kenwood to drive the power amp.... I expected some noise and distortion.... but I was absolutely floored as I raised the volume.... the sound was so full, with mid bloom and midrange body that I have "never" experienced with any pre-amp since then.... I often wondered why this would be so.... and I was not running the Kenwood more than a couple of volts inot the power amp... I still remember the sound and the clarity I got in the 200Hz to 1kHz range. The highs were not so clear... but the mid-bloom was amazing.
Thank you very much again
I thought a lot about this issue because often I read of people using preamps with too much voltage gain and unable to set rightly the volume
And of course there is the other way, more easy and common I guess
Instead of looking for a very unusual power buffer use a buffer preamp
Much more common solution
By the way I have a huge admiration of the diamond buffer topology (I have seen it in some very well received amps)
A four bjts schematic with a superb couple of these at the output
If the resulting power is little I can always use high efficiency speakers
Thanks and regards,
gino
I thought a lot about this issue because often I read of people using preamps with too much voltage gain and unable to set rightly the volume
And of course there is the other way, more easy and common I guess
Instead of looking for a very unusual power buffer use a buffer preamp
Much more common solution
By the way I have a huge admiration of the diamond buffer topology (I have seen it in some very well received amps)
A four bjts schematic with a superb couple of these at the output
If the resulting power is little I can always use high efficiency speakers
Thanks and regards,
gino