Open back as in no sealed rear cover on the 8", ergo the woofer modulates it, so fundamentally the same as the W22.
Elegant??? It is certainly interesting to see how the company goes about differentiating themselves and building high value in the eyes of a small number of enthusiasts. Good luck to them. I would suggest though that they may not be a wise place to look for guidance on addressing issues of an engineering rather than marketing nature.
Basically an awful waste of material, elegantly dished up to impress the potential buyer. In order not to raise my blood pressure & stay relaxed, I will not read the Boenicke lecture about their-latest?- contraption. My guess is this will be an 8K or so thingie. Andy19191 sums it all up in has last sentence.
Definitely not. In the video posted above, author boenicke himself describe woofer being actively powered by built in plate amp.
Orginally w22 had no woofers. It was 2way with two tweeters, one facing back.
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And if you buy it, worldwide shipping and installation included. Owner boenicke himself will fly to your house to hook it up. It has programmable dsp after all, for each individual room.
Must be good, it has four bybee quantum purifiers in it, and few coats of c37 laqueer. It sets new standard on how much bs can be stuffed into one box.
Must be good, it has four bybee quantum purifiers in it, and few coats of c37 laqueer. It sets new standard on how much bs can be stuffed into one box.
About him, Sven Boenicke...from their blurb I read a while back...OMG...
"Like synaesthesia, Sven can photographically remember sound. He can see its harmonic texture as colour. By storing that colour in his memory, he can vividly recall his experience in the acoustic sound field of incredible live performances even months later. Each Boenicke speaker in its development stage is fine-tuned with his own recordings. The same holds true for our electronics, cables and power distribution solutions. Sven uses his recall of the concert hall reality as the only valid reference to ensure the tuning and sonic balance of all Boenicke products."
The whole pamphlet is written like this.
"Like synaesthesia, Sven can photographically remember sound. He can see its harmonic texture as colour. By storing that colour in his memory, he can vividly recall his experience in the acoustic sound field of incredible live performances even months later. Each Boenicke speaker in its development stage is fine-tuned with his own recordings. The same holds true for our electronics, cables and power distribution solutions. Sven uses his recall of the concert hall reality as the only valid reference to ensure the tuning and sonic balance of all Boenicke products."
The whole pamphlet is written like this.
I would not go further with the bashing and focus more on the product itself.
The bass driver is definitely not isolated from the mid but with the labyrinth in theory they try to avoid some issues, especially using class d DSP amps for the woofer is good for surpressing some unwanted stuff in the frequency response 😉
Regarding the "poor" midrange - we are not talking about a small chassis, it appears to me more like a full range speaker often used by Boenecke.
If I'm guessing right from my first coffee in the morning, these types are mechanically stronger build and won't be affected as much as a simple soft dedicated midrange - please correct me here!
The best solution would be of course two chambers but I guess the housing would increase by alot according to what is done here.
The full range driver needs volume to play deep enough without constraints and the bass surely too.
By separating both drivers you need nearly twice the volume - if necessary according to tap and so on.
Just my 2ct!
The bass driver is definitely not isolated from the mid but with the labyrinth in theory they try to avoid some issues, especially using class d DSP amps for the woofer is good for surpressing some unwanted stuff in the frequency response 😉
Regarding the "poor" midrange - we are not talking about a small chassis, it appears to me more like a full range speaker often used by Boenecke.
If I'm guessing right from my first coffee in the morning, these types are mechanically stronger build and won't be affected as much as a simple soft dedicated midrange - please correct me here!
The best solution would be of course two chambers but I guess the housing would increase by alot according to what is done here.
The full range driver needs volume to play deep enough without constraints and the bass surely too.
By separating both drivers you need nearly twice the volume - if necessary according to tap and so on.
Just my 2ct!
Fair enough, but the marketing is all a bit cringeworthy and it's difficult not to comment. However, I note the speakers do get very good reviews so that's the relevant test. It doesn't matter what we think about the design.
That said, I've read that although the manufacturer doesn't quote a price, the W22 sells for six figure plus sums (USD) so I guess you'd expect them to be good. No wonder Sven can afford to install them personally.
That said, I've read that although the manufacturer doesn't quote a price, the W22 sells for six figure plus sums (USD) so I guess you'd expect them to be good. No wonder Sven can afford to install them personally.
I totally agree that the flavour fluff especially on this company's side is more than awkward unicorn stupidity and I'm not defending anything.
Your comment about well reviewed speaker in this price category are always to be taken with a not a grain but a bag full of salt.
I hope they did a good job on the speaker to be worth the money.
My own comment needs some type of correction, full rangers are not by default build stronger surely depending about what size we are talking.
What could make a difference in the end is beside the labyrinth structure the amount of stuffing.
If this thing heavy damped in the woofer section that could reduce the infliction of both systems.
For this type of housing and discussion we need a 3d plot for the air pressure inside to see what really ends at the midrange and how hard/soft the impact would be.
Talking about unicorns - just to be funny - maybe it's engineered to use the midrange as a PR ;D
Your comment about well reviewed speaker in this price category are always to be taken with a not a grain but a bag full of salt.
I hope they did a good job on the speaker to be worth the money.
My own comment needs some type of correction, full rangers are not by default build stronger surely depending about what size we are talking.
What could make a difference in the end is beside the labyrinth structure the amount of stuffing.
If this thing heavy damped in the woofer section that could reduce the infliction of both systems.
For this type of housing and discussion we need a 3d plot for the air pressure inside to see what really ends at the midrange and how hard/soft the impact would be.
Talking about unicorns - just to be funny - maybe it's engineered to use the midrange as a PR ;D
The excursion that is pneumatically enforced on the mid by the woofers does probably lead to euphonic distortion. 😉
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Charles
Regards
Charles
I didn't mean commercial / online reviews, I meant just punters that have heard them at hi fi shows have said they are good. But yeah, even those need to be read with caution, I know. But I guess they'd have to sound better than the average punter's home hi fi...surely... 🙂
well i do not want to talk about there marketing fluff i've seen a few alineas where i wonder if they where talking about loudspeakers or something that has to do with light.. photons etc... anyhow, yeah in a nutshell i only wondered if the midrange would see to much pressure from these 2 15 inch beasts.
since my idea was you normally combine 2 drivers when they both are the same and play down to the same frequency. then most mids i seen have there own little cabinet.
since my idea was you normally combine 2 drivers when they both are the same and play down to the same frequency. then most mids i seen have there own little cabinet.
The engineering in strongly audiophile brands like Boenicke is there to serve the marketing stories that can add high value for a small number of nontechnical audiophiles that respond positively to them. If it improves or worsens technical performance a modest amount is largely irrelevant (a lot wouldn't be) it is how well it serves the perception of the product by potential customers that matters. This is quite different to the engineering in speakers like Genelec, Neumann and such where technical performance is important to adding value in the eyes of their customers.
The woofer moving the cone of a mid in-and-out would be unacceptable in a high technical performance speaker but, if not excessive, would likely be fine in a strongly audiophile speaker like a Boenicke if it served a marketing purpose. I am not familiar with the marketing to know what that might be.
I have only heard the small Boenicke speaker a couple of times at audio shows and it was remarkably coloured a bit like a small PC speaker. Likely by design I would guess. The sound however was praised by a fair number of audiophiles in forum discussions afterwards about the show. A few even bought the speakers at the extremely high asking price. There is a fairly popular DIY clone thread on this forum. People value very different things in speakers.
The woofer moving the cone of a mid in-and-out would be unacceptable in a high technical performance speaker but, if not excessive, would likely be fine in a strongly audiophile speaker like a Boenicke if it served a marketing purpose. I am not familiar with the marketing to know what that might be.
I have only heard the small Boenicke speaker a couple of times at audio shows and it was remarkably coloured a bit like a small PC speaker. Likely by design I would guess. The sound however was praised by a fair number of audiophiles in forum discussions afterwards about the show. A few even bought the speakers at the extremely high asking price. There is a fairly popular DIY clone thread on this forum. People value very different things in speakers.
