Quested use Volt woofers, the Volt dome and Morel tweeters to the best of my knowledge.
Simply : flat curve made for monitoring and short distance.
I believe in a diving curve after 1 K Hz à la BBC for home listening and a better sense of "auditability" !
Finally : because we have a (different) room(s) : these monitors studio which are most of the time well made would need to have Eq : DSP or poted ! I.E. : simple active 3 ways amped and well made front bafle is not good enough !
This is shortly, according my tastes and my poor knowledge what I wanted to say... for what it worths !🙄
I also believe, without being formely sure of this, that monitors have a tonal balance problem : maybe because they are often putted in a too big room (in relation to their size) and listened from a too long distance (in relation for what they are made) ! (= lack of spl in the low in relation to the whole spl curve if too big room to say it short !)
To make it shorter : integration in a room, even if the monitor is well made, is a matter of luck ... and the mid-bass lower register will be far of the "reality" : mostly accurate for the little hifi system or boom box !
.... 2 cents, as certainly more complicate that what I express ! But it seems to me, dome midrange for low efficienty is certainly a good way to go... for what my ears act... without knowing all the theory below ! Ceratinly I would use the ATC or any mid dome not so low than ATC speakers uses ! But who am I to say that !
Neumann ar certainly not the most expensive speakers in relation to sound quality according to me and having heard once in a music instrument shop ! Better Sound Q/P than ATC... cause ATC are : very very very expensive ! (And I don't understand the industrial reality behind that !)
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@ billshurve : with dip in 1k to 2 K Hz and diving - 6 db spl after to 20 K Hz ?!
Not sure why people loved Haberth BBC monitors in bigger rooms than the little trucks à la BBC or the very little studio rooms !
Not sure why people loved Haberth BBC monitors in bigger rooms than the little trucks à la BBC or the very little studio rooms !
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If you read the original BBC papers on the design on the monitors then they were flat when used as intended. Some models did have an off axis dip which in a domestic setting might affect power response, and production was all over the place, but it was not designed in. The papers are all online to read.
Now BBC 'style' monitors may have this dip as it was expected of them but not a feature. But sifting truth out is hard when I did some research.
Now BBC 'style' monitors may have this dip as it was expected of them but not a feature. But sifting truth out is hard when I did some research.
@ Charles Darwin : no I prefer the biggest 'big" monitors they make 🙂 ! (can we call that a monitor ?); btw I have a Proac as third speakers !
Now they are too expensive... but who knows with the weakest pound !
@ Bill : maybe I mix with the Kef reading BBC paper ? (I'm a proud owner of a Kef 104/2 ref as well ! second system)
Now they are too expensive... but who knows with the weakest pound !
@ Bill : maybe I mix with the Kef reading BBC paper ? (I'm a proud owner of a Kef 104/2 ref as well ! second system)
I had hoped my first contribution to this thread might have made clear the reason for the manufacturing expense. But for clarification, the ATC dome is engineered for continuous, reliable operation that is possible in (but not typical of) professional monitoring environments. These design constraints are in addition to the measures employed to maximise sound quality discussed here. For domestic purposes such a design specification might be considered over-engineering. Nevertheless such engineering comes at a cost not incurred by drive units engineered solely for more usual domestic environments - although I doubt they would match ATC's reputation for reliability even in such restricted use.
The dip in power response of many classic british speakers is real, but my personal belief having research it is that it was not the intention of the BBC research dept for their speakers to be that way. The rest is fokelore.
104/2 I have never heard, but have seen them. I know they are funny looking, but the 105 has always appealed to me. My softest spot is for the ATCs tho, even tho I cannot afford them. But I am sure other midfield studio monitors can sound great, just never had the pleasure.
104/2 I have never heard, but have seen them. I know they are funny looking, but the 105 has always appealed to me. My softest spot is for the ATCs tho, even tho I cannot afford them. But I am sure other midfield studio monitors can sound great, just never had the pleasure.
There could possibly some confusion between the BBC's neutral loudspeaker design criteria and the so-called 'BBC curve' which I believe offers compensation for the difference in perceived loudness for direct sounds and reverberant sound fields. This is much the same as the difference between the E and F weightings I believe (?) - although I too am a little bit unsure of long-ago read references. Since there can be no correct compensation of this type, however, a well-designed neutral loudspeaker with a well-behaved off-axis response is a much better compromise.
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Maybe you mix up with B&K curve in place of BBC loudspeaker response?
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd381/mitchatola/BandK curve_zpsonbocey3.jpg
Don't take it personnaly but you probably never been in a professionnal control room and heard a correctly seted up monitor system in studied acoustic. And your statement only reveal that. If you wrote was the case neither works in control room could be listenable anywhere else than in the room where they are made... And all professional venues would use little hifi systems. This is not the case.
This is the case. Some 'small' nearfield offer this kind of corrections (active Genelec since... 1030/1031 (circa 2000) or even before, ATC active monitors have a bsc compensation potentiometers).
Most of the big MAIN (Kinoshita, JBL, Genelec, Quested, PMC, you name them...) are processed (at least with 1/3 octave graphic eq) since the mid 70's. It is especially true for horn system (Kinoshita/Tad).
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Such dips are prevalent in many speakers and not of any intention - at least we would hope! Two-way loudspeakers commonly exhibit a power response dip as a rapidly decreasing cone off-axis output crosses over to a much smaller tweeter with restored off-axis output.
Many recordings find themselves 'balanced' for just such an aberration at the mastering stage for example and thereafter are destined to overly bright reproduction.
...without which this forum would be so much smaller! 🙂
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You mean the 300s?
Certainly not cheap but also without DSP which you said wouldn't be good enough. ;-)
If you were to opt for the big Quested jobs you'd get DSP via the digital crossover they use (provided by XTA).
The term monitor is independent of size and refers to any speaker used to monitor recording or mixing. The 5" Auratone is a monitor but so is the 221kg Quested HM415.
I beg to differ for this: i've heard a recent main system using ATC mid (and TAD 15" and tweeter) from the previous owner of Boxer loudspeaker ( can't remember the name for now but the room acoustic was from him too) and it was processed using FIR (if i remember correctly) and it sounded fairly different from ATC monitors to me (i used daily scm110a for 2 years and is used to the 'big' 300 too).
The name of the loudspeakers i talk about is EXIGY, i just remember! The studio is Studio73 in Paris.
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I was referring to the particular quoted example of ATC's own SCM300 with its bespoke active crossover. The improvement offered by DSP is minimal here - at least as far as DSP is typically implemented. With other drive units and loudspeakers there may well be some improvement possible due to greater 'design compromises' - but also impairments introduced that can be equally audible.
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Got your point Soundbloke and agree.
But was surprised by this particular system, as my taste don't go toward ATC for my 'pleasure'/'hobby' listening and really liked this Exigy mains.
For work no question about it ATC are great tools but this is not what i want in my home.
But was surprised by this particular system, as my taste don't go toward ATC for my 'pleasure'/'hobby' listening and really liked this Exigy mains.
For work no question about it ATC are great tools but this is not what i want in my home.
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Thank you 🙂 The application of DSP, the misunderstandings in its application and the still unexploited advantages it offers probably deserves another thread...
Wow, I didn't know ATC 300 speakers were called monitors as well ! Yes in my mind the word "monitor" was more for the little box and very short distance (desk control) !
this one has not a flat curve btw : http://atcloudspeakers.co.uk/professional/loudspeakers/scm300asl-pro/
- 6db: 25 Hz to 20 k Hz ! And looking the spec : this dome midrange should be more than reliable ! Hey I didn't even know it was able to "absorb" 121 db ...continuous at 1 m...😱 I assume one can standing back when listening to it ! (one can understand too the reason why half of audio E. are deaf 😛 .... like the conductors !)
Well, even if too expensive for me, the dome from ATC stays cheaper than TAD units ! For my taste it is "good enough" ! But I stay surpised by the so low XO : 380 Hz ! I assume the two 15" are to match the fastness of the little 3" dome ? (not only for spl I mean !)
Well, not the topic, sorry for "trolling" and "folkloring"😱
this one has not a flat curve btw : http://atcloudspeakers.co.uk/professional/loudspeakers/scm300asl-pro/
- 6db: 25 Hz to 20 k Hz ! And looking the spec : this dome midrange should be more than reliable ! Hey I didn't even know it was able to "absorb" 121 db ...continuous at 1 m...😱 I assume one can standing back when listening to it ! (one can understand too the reason why half of audio E. are deaf 😛 .... like the conductors !)
Well, even if too expensive for me, the dome from ATC stays cheaper than TAD units ! For my taste it is "good enough" ! But I stay surpised by the so low XO : 380 Hz ! I assume the two 15" are to match the fastness of the little 3" dome ? (not only for spl I mean !)
Well, not the topic, sorry for "trolling" and "folkloring"😱
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