Interested in your opinions, I'm looking for something cheapish with a sweet treble and reasonable power handling..
people in Japan like the w2-800sl at $25 each, but zero bass (qts = .23 and Fs = 160hz).
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=264-807
No clue on power handling.
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=264-807
No clue on power handling.
I'm currently finding uses for the old "Whisper" AuraSound 2in driver personally. That Hiwave is an interesting little unit?!
A 2in wideband driver with power handling is an oxymoron. 😉 Although it depends on your definition of 'reasonable', your XO frequency and slope.
its just a big (mid)tweeter, and should be handled like one
but got the advantage of much lower Fs
how about a soft dome PA compression driver, and remove the compression part 😀
even the small 1" drivers have big 35-40mm voice coil
but got the advantage of much lower Fs
how about a soft dome PA compression driver, and remove the compression part 😀
even the small 1" drivers have big 35-40mm voice coil
ive used both tb w2 800sl and visaton frs5x. The latter is very cheap and about 30% the performance of the former, to my ears.
edit; the visaton is 90% as good as the TB. a slight touch of that paper cone tweeter sizzle, but its quite benign. The Q is more useful at 0.7 ish, power handling and efficiency is slightly lower than the TB. But, the visaton is a mere 6 euros! I wouldnt use these fullrange using a single driver, neither tolerate bass well, maybe in a small array they could cope at reasonable levels.
That Hiwave does look really interesting.
Its just for desktop speakers, I wanted to use 2 per side and a small sub.
Its just for desktop speakers, I wanted to use 2 per side and a small sub.
Had some fun with a couple of W2-803SM a while ago. Good power handling size considered. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsUbX4vxk8I&feature=relmfu
well the frs5x and w2 800sl have similar fs of 160 to 200hz (mine were around 190) and similar db/W, IIRC 87db and 89db. For desktop use thats loud enough. However i would HP them to save excursion, where exactly is up to you. Fullrange in a testbox they run out of xmax about 1 watt roughly. For the price the frs5x are great value, the TB are better by a fair bit, BUT at 4 times the price they arent the same value, even if they are cleaner. That hiwave is an unknown to me, but it could be worth a look for sure. Im planning something similar for the 2s i have. HP'd at 500hz boxsim gives about 95db, which should be ok for desktops. Id recommend the visaton if a 2 hole rear mountable option is acceptable, cosmetically the TB are better and have 4 hole mounting. Thats my biggest bug bear with the visaton, the flange is ugly. Hopefully my experiences have made an easier choice for you Bill.
i have to say that i like tinitus' idea, but theres no way of knowing how theyd sound after the mods.
Bill,
Do you refer to a 2" cone (ie a 3") or a nominal 2" (cone ~35mm)?
Zaph did a big compare of 2" & 3" drivers and concluded that the 3" were univerally better than the 2" drivers -- even at the top.
With any of the 2" your XO will need to be >200 Hz, so not really a sub but a woofer required.
I'd recommend the Fostex FF85wk, or for less (money & performance and more bass capability), Aura NS3 or Fountek FR88.
dave
Do you refer to a 2" cone (ie a 3") or a nominal 2" (cone ~35mm)?
Zaph did a big compare of 2" & 3" drivers and concluded that the 3" were univerally better than the 2" drivers -- even at the top.
With any of the 2" your XO will need to be >200 Hz, so not really a sub but a woofer required.
I'd recommend the Fostex FF85wk, or for less (money & performance and more bass capability), Aura NS3 or Fountek FR88.
dave
Hi,
Platon Measurements
Compares a Peerless 2" to the Aura chosen by SL for the Pluto.
3"ers are a better idea for lower crossover points generally.
rgds, sreten.
Platon Measurements
Compares a Peerless 2" to the Aura chosen by SL for the Pluto.
3"ers are a better idea for lower crossover points generally.
rgds, sreten.
The Aurasound whisper driver of Pluto fame is actually amazing in its bass output abilitities. Just mounted at the end of a long pipe and run fullrange, it sounds balanced and also omnidirectional !! It sure can do the same in a slim ported box 😛
With no bass support only the Aura NS3 sounds the most balanced and is the bass champion. The other two prefer some woofer help
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I agree, 3 inchers are more capable the twos are limited in ultimate SPL, and i thought the peerless a bit dodgy when i looked at the site, although Zaph measures otherwise judging by the data. At the time the 2 inchers i mentioned were the best available to me. As a tweet the W2s are comparable to the W3 1285SG, but the 3s are far more capable and in ways better than the alpair6 i have. The little visaton are good for the cash, and good tweeters. I only offered opinions on what i own, so i dunno bout the fostex. Sreten, im surprised you didnt mention those Logitech. Actually, I dont know why I havent bought some...
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Try the Visaton FRS5x. You won't be disappointed. We have done several projects with that little bugger and always liked the results.
Apart from that you of course know that there isn't anything like a "2" fullrange" 😉.
Apart from that you of course know that there isn't anything like a "2" fullrange" 😉.
valid points about why go for a 2" etc when a 3" is better in everyway- its just a design I have which I want to 'shrink'.
The visatons look good. What is the stock 1-1.5" that Harman use in the soundsticks?
The visatons look good. What is the stock 1-1.5" that Harman use in the soundsticks?
i have no idea. I used to work in a warehouse distributing those harman pc speakers, and a few damages got tested at home. Run without their purpose built amp, they werent the same. Id get a fair bit of active EQ is used in their package. The frs5x represent unbeatable performance value ratio, theyre not perfect but they are very nicely balanced indeed.