Behringer DCX2496 digital X-over

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#701
Originally posted by Daveis It's this last option that appeals to me the most today.
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Two potential problems - insertion loss and lack of flexibility. If you can live with those (ie you have very well behaved drivers that can use simple filters) I think it's an interesting approach. Requires an active preamp though - something I haven't had in my system for a long time.


I was not able to detect any difference in sound quality between IIR filters on the PC versus the Behringer. I suspect that the textbook algorithms are being used by everyone.
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As far as xover filters and parametric stages go, this is probably true. There may be some slight difference in terms of how precision and roundoff are handled, but for normal use I'd expect them all to be pretty much indistinguishable.
This is leaving aside the phase-correction part of Jan's package (Arbitrator). This is unique in the market as far as I know.

With improved analog outputs I suspect that the Behringer is as good as anything out there.
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Well, close to it anyway. I'm not so sure about the ASRC up front, and you might need some PS mods as well (although the soundcard approach sufferes from poor power in most cases as well). To a degree it's a matter of where you want to spend your resources. IMHO though, by the time you've done analog stage mod and figured out the volume control issue, you've probably boosted the price of the Behringer by at least a few hundred $$$, making the cost comparison pretty much a wash.

A single DCX2496 is only 3-way stereo. I am currently playing with 3-way speaker plus sub. That drove me to using a PC solution. I realize that you can chain DCX2496. And certainly just use an analog filter for the sub.
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This is part of what drove me away from the Behringer as well. My Unity prototypes are inherently 4-way systems, which is problematic with the DCX. Needing two eliminates the cost advantage, and if you want to use the digital input I'm not sure chaining them is a particularly attractive solution. Still, you can make it work if you're sufficiently motivated.

I find it funny that people are arguing over whether they spent $300 on the DCX2496 or $800 on a PC solution. When you switch to biamp and triamp you've already commited to __ MULTIPLE AMPS __ and those arent cheap.
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Well, I tend to agree, but there's a broad audience here. I'd actually go farther and say that the time and effort to design a system that is worthy of a full-on 3-way active setup suggests that going rock-bottom bargain basement on the electronics is misguided. However, there are lots of enthusiastic folks here that really are on rock-bottom budgets, and a DCX and some gainclones is what is within their reach; plus we can't forget that frequently the journey is more important than the destination anyway. In that context, the $800 for my pc setup may be something of a barrier.
OTOH, people seem to forget just how much of an outlier the DCX is on price. Any other standalone xover unit is at least as expensive as the PC+Allocator solution, and so the price criticism isn't really specific to that alternative.

Still, given that
a) the DCX is unavailable, and whether it will ever be available again is still unclear
b) Jan's software is available and does everything the DCX does and more
c) Decent-to-good cards can be had for $250 or less
d) The vast majority of people already have a computer capable of running the xover, and if not one is available for 100-150
e) Using a player like foobar eliminates the volume control 'problem'

I'd say that it's a pretty darn good option for most folks. If/when the DCX returns to the market it may regain the 'budget choice' crown, but since it isn't available, Allocator seems to be more than capable of filling that role at the moment.
 
#708
kepa1 said:
Confirmed boys, the audiophonics kit has the digital input, you can see it, it's the thick black cable running from the RCA socket, if needed I can translate the data in English...

The battle of DCX cards has begun!!
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What if I merely want the board, as I have all the rest of the parts?

Does anyone produce a blank board similar to that, or exactly that?

I'm not trying to be extra frugal, I'm simply not needing to buy all those parts, I have them already, and it would only take an hour or two to populate the board myself. Specifically, with parts that I personally approve of and work with. Not their selection. They may be fine, but I have all my own parts already......
 
#710
Ryssen said:
Would allso like just the board..🙂
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I can only say, ask Ward at www.roger-pilgham.nl , this is a first for him, you need to tell him what you want. On the other hand, if you also need the 6 male XLR's the basic kit is probably a good deal.

Also note that my pcb is specifically designed as a replacement board with NO changes to the DSP board, no soldering in the DCX, just the new board and new flatcable assemblies. You can always revert to the original setup if you want to sell it or whatever.

And no, I'm NOT getting any royalties!

Jan Didden
 
#712
Ryssen said:

Why not?😀😉 I will order the newest Audioxpress and read,can you still use the RTA with your board?Do you sell just the board,how much is it?
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Hi Ryssen,

As I said:

"I can only say, ask Ward at www.roger-pilgham.nl , this is a first for him, you need to tell him what you want. On the other hand, if you also need the 6 male XLR's (and the replacement flatcable stuff) the basic kit is probably a good deal."

I'm not selling stuff, Ward is. Ask him for a price on the pcb(s).

Jan Didden
 
#713
At this moment the separate PCB's are not offered on the website. The simple reason is that the shipment cost in relation to the board price are rather high.
As some parts are a bit harder to get, a kit is most convenient and as the shipment cost remain the same the offer is much better.

If there are any questions please do not hesitate to contact me via the website via the contact form. I am happy to help directly (without being accused of using this forum for my commercial activities). :angel: 😀

Kind regards,

Ward Maas
Pilgham Audio
 
#714
Behringer DCX2496 (andSRC) available again!...?

I see that there are some available now (and the also hard to find SRC) but haven't heard of any date codes newer than May/05. I would suggest that if you want one that you jump on it now as these may all still be over stock from slow markets that is being redistributed. Zzounds, Sameday, ect. have them for 250.00 with free shipping. An SRC2496 in front of most dacs will improve the sound if good cables are used. Apogee rca and xlr is a good deal as is the Radioshack gold optical. The Behringer 2496s not only give great sound for the money but are mind blowingly fun and flashy to play with. I have been doing listening tests on the second version direct out mods this week and have settled on the values so will try to get schematics and pricing posted.
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http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHDCX2496
 
#716
Lead free

I have not read the whole thread.
I learned today from a Dutch supplier/retailer that all the delivery "problems" of the Behringer products had to do with the Pb free regulations in the different countries. In the Netherlands, they told me, they took product back from the marketplace.

Supply of lead free is now up and running.

Probably the lead containing products will pop-up some where in this beautifull world.

E-Bay???

Regards,

E&E
 
#717
I had heard about FCC non-compliance or certification as well as an IC supply problem. FWIW, the Hynix chips are now Samsung, and the SMPS is a little different. Those are the the only differences I can see internally.

regards,
PSz.

edit: Has the display always been green?
 
#718
Originally posted by PSz

edit: Has the display always been green? [/B]
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Yes.

I heard the supply of DCX dropped due to a lawsuit from Harman Intl. and the SRC from another lawsuit from a record company(s)
(copyright infringement?)

IDK but why would the SRC and DCX dissapear due to lead while all of the other Behringer products remain?
 
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