Personal ? Water Off A Ducks Back.
Peter, thankyou for your words of respect.
Yes my actions are calculated and for I believe the right reasons - method could be open to debate sure.
I feel you are reading me from the wrong side for it is confusion and anarchy that I seek to lessen.
Peter, thankyou for your words of respect.
Yes my actions are calculated and for I believe the right reasons - method could be open to debate sure.
I feel you are reading me from the wrong side for it is confusion and anarchy that I seek to lessen.
Re: Public Statements...
An for those who would like to see the prototype. Not quite done. I wanted Eric's approval before i did the hard part -- cleaning up the map.
Just another installment of beautifying the web ... and who knows, one of these times i might get some work out of it.
dave
mrfeedback said:
An for those who would like to see the prototype. Not quite done. I wanted Eric's approval before i did the hard part -- cleaning up the map.
Just another installment of beautifying the web ... and who knows, one of these times i might get some work out of it.
dave
SINBIN
Eric,
Thank you for the kind words of defense.
I'm sure that if you asked Dice45 via private mail he'll be happy to clarify the matter with you.
You can expect the same from me.
I understand your concern about the matter and can only say that since then things have only improved on the forum.
The whole forum is a dynamic environment and so far it's steering towards more openness and transparency.
I'm very happy with that.
Thanks again,
😉
Eric,
Thank you for the kind words of defense.
I'm sure that if you asked Dice45 via private mail he'll be happy to clarify the matter with you.
You can expect the same from me.
I understand your concern about the matter and can only say that since then things have only improved on the forum.
The whole forum is a dynamic environment and so far it's steering towards more openness and transparency.
I'm very happy with that.
Thanks again,
😉
Re: Personal ? Water Off A Ducks Back.
I'm glad no hard feelings between us. I don't know if it is a wrong side, but for sure, it's the other side.😉
mrfeedback said:
I'm glad no hard feelings between us. I don't know if it is a wrong side, but for sure, it's the other side.😉
Re Mrfeedback's work bench
The toilet roll holder under the bench looks completely inappropriate. Specially for a web site.
It may be practical.
It may be useful but maybe you could find a more discrete location.
In NZ you can get big rolls of handy paper towels about a dollar a roll. Comes in pink or white. They have them in recycled paper. Woolworths.
Just a helpful suggestion.
The toilet roll holder under the bench looks completely inappropriate. Specially for a web site.
It may be practical.
It may be useful but maybe you could find a more discrete location.
In NZ you can get big rolls of handy paper towels about a dollar a roll. Comes in pink or white. They have them in recycled paper. Woolworths.
Just a helpful suggestion.
Maybe Dave could somehow erase the infamous toilet paper roll from a picture and everybody would be happy?😉 To tell the truth I also like to keep a roll of toilet paper handy in my workshop. It's something about the smoothness and endless supply.😉
Well, isn't that just the cutest little thing I've ever seen!
Someone rewrote mrfeedback's web page for him. If it wasn't certain before, this practically guarantees that feedback will never be able to write a decent web page. Having seen the prototype, I predict that it will now be a .2 star site rather than a .1 star site. Only 3.98 more to go. Now feedback can go chug another hogshead without having to attend to those pesky little details that point to a job well done. Don't get me wrong here - mrfeedback may be a great repairman but that in itself
do not necessarily qualify him to act as a guru in other areas, which, sadly, he is inclined to do.
I disagree with remp. The toilet paper roll is most appropriate. He should use it as his logo. Now I just read a post about erasing the toilet paper. Good idea. Replace it with a well used corn cob - it would make a better logo anyway.
As far a my 00 abrasiveness rating, thank you, and I would appreciate if someone could see their way clear to upgrade me to a rasp. Hey, if it weren't for abrasive critics like myself, much less would get done correctly and the world would be in more of a mess than it already is. Rather than suggesting that I have a need to put down others to help correct my own psychological deficiencies, it should be realized that I do it to help correct other's deficiencies. Of course, many will say, who am I to judge whether one is, or is not, deficient? Many others will say, "can't you do it nicely?" To the "do it nicely" crowd, I say, "No." If one smothers a point in tact, the point gets pretty much lost. Tact, in many situations, is right next door to a lie. I've always wished that I had one of those imps on my shoulder that relentlesly nagged me when I did less than my best and, more importantly, when my best was not very good, to nag me to get better. As it was, I've had to rely on my own sense of what constitutes good output. While I yearned for critisizm throughout my life, I found very few with enough balls to supply it.
I've seen people post photos of their projects. Many of them are god-awful in terms of craftsmanship and aesthetics. Yet they receive praise. How the hell is a person to do a better job next time if they are led to believe they have already done a great job? One of my favorite watering holes engaged a fill in band - worst band I've ever heard. Everyone applauded after the performance. I'm sure they left with the idea that they were teriffic. They probably never got any better.
To me, it's all about quality - do well or do something else. Anyone ever read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintainance?" Of course, if it's just oneself and the thing that one is doing, one can get away with anything and may never have to pay a price - self delusion is a wonderful thing. However, once it is made public, the gloves are off.
Everyone here has gone public. So have I. Critisize me all you want. I welcome it - I wish for any outside motivation that will lead to further self examination and improvement. In the meantime, I intend on getting in anyone's face who, IMLTHO, deserves it.
Someone rewrote mrfeedback's web page for him. If it wasn't certain before, this practically guarantees that feedback will never be able to write a decent web page. Having seen the prototype, I predict that it will now be a .2 star site rather than a .1 star site. Only 3.98 more to go. Now feedback can go chug another hogshead without having to attend to those pesky little details that point to a job well done. Don't get me wrong here - mrfeedback may be a great repairman but that in itself
do not necessarily qualify him to act as a guru in other areas, which, sadly, he is inclined to do.
I disagree with remp. The toilet paper roll is most appropriate. He should use it as his logo. Now I just read a post about erasing the toilet paper. Good idea. Replace it with a well used corn cob - it would make a better logo anyway.
As far a my 00 abrasiveness rating, thank you, and I would appreciate if someone could see their way clear to upgrade me to a rasp. Hey, if it weren't for abrasive critics like myself, much less would get done correctly and the world would be in more of a mess than it already is. Rather than suggesting that I have a need to put down others to help correct my own psychological deficiencies, it should be realized that I do it to help correct other's deficiencies. Of course, many will say, who am I to judge whether one is, or is not, deficient? Many others will say, "can't you do it nicely?" To the "do it nicely" crowd, I say, "No." If one smothers a point in tact, the point gets pretty much lost. Tact, in many situations, is right next door to a lie. I've always wished that I had one of those imps on my shoulder that relentlesly nagged me when I did less than my best and, more importantly, when my best was not very good, to nag me to get better. As it was, I've had to rely on my own sense of what constitutes good output. While I yearned for critisizm throughout my life, I found very few with enough balls to supply it.
I've seen people post photos of their projects. Many of them are god-awful in terms of craftsmanship and aesthetics. Yet they receive praise. How the hell is a person to do a better job next time if they are led to believe they have already done a great job? One of my favorite watering holes engaged a fill in band - worst band I've ever heard. Everyone applauded after the performance. I'm sure they left with the idea that they were teriffic. They probably never got any better.
To me, it's all about quality - do well or do something else. Anyone ever read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintainance?" Of course, if it's just oneself and the thing that one is doing, one can get away with anything and may never have to pay a price - self delusion is a wonderful thing. However, once it is made public, the gloves are off.
Everyone here has gone public. So have I. Critisize me all you want. I welcome it - I wish for any outside motivation that will lead to further self examination and improvement. In the meantime, I intend on getting in anyone's face who, IMLTHO, deserves it.
Bill Fitzpatrick said:
I got some good laughs reading it.🙂
Bill Fitzpatrick said:
I've seen too, but when they awfull, I just refrein from comments. I'd rather not discourage someone making an effort in good faith, than see him making improvement on a next try.
Bill Fitzpatrick said:
Bill,
Come now Bill. It is simple, it gets all the important info across (the map will get better) without clutter, and it is fast loading (because it is small).
If i was to do a critique of your website, it would not score as high.
And as to Eric having to do his own website, why? We all make a living by doing something better than someone else, they buy our products and services, and someone buys theirs. If everyone tried to do everything themselves we'd still all be cavemen sitting around the fire, and even then there was distribution of tasks.
I also disagree that encoragement to do better has to be abrasive. Abrasion is actually most often very counter-effective -- take this thread for instance, all the wasted energy bashing heads.
dave
Zen and the art of DIY
An inquiry into values.
Quote:
When he brought his motorcycle over I got my wrenches out but then noticed that no amount of tightening would stop the slippage, because the ends of the collars were pinched shut.
``You're going to have to shim those out,'' I said.
``What's shim?''
``It's a thin, flat strip of metal. You just slip it around the handlebar under the collar there and it will open up the collar to where you can tighten it again. You use shims like that to make adjustments in all kinds of machines.''
``Oh,'' he said. He was getting interested. ``Good. Where do you buy them?''
``I've got some right here,'' I said gleefully, holding up a can of beer in my hand.
He didn't understand for a moment. Then he said, ``What, the can?''
``Sure,'' I said, ``best shim stock in the world.''
I thought this was pretty clever myself. Save him a trip to God knows where to get shim stock. Save him time. Save him money.
But to my surprise he didn't see the cleverness of this at all. In fact he got noticeably haughty about the whole thing. Pretty soon he was dodging and filling with all kinds of excuses and, before I realized what his real attitude was, we had decided not to fix the handlebars after all.
As far as I know those handlebars are still loose. And I believe now that he was actually offended at the time. I had had the nerve to propose repair of his new eighteen-hundred dollar BMW, the pride of a half-century of German mechanical finesse, with a piece of old beer can!
Ach, du lieber!
Since then we have had very few conversations about motorcycle maintenance. None, now that I think of it.
You push it any further and suddenly you are angry, without knowing why.
I should say, to explain this, that beer-can aluminum is soft and sticky, as metals go. Perfect for the application. Aluminum doesn't oxidize in wet weather...or, more precisely, it always has a thin layer of oxide that prevents any further oxidation. Also perfect.
In other words, any true German mechanic, with a half-century of mechanical finesse behind him, would have concluded that this particular solution to this particular technical problem was perfect.
For a while I thought what I should have done was sneak over to the workbench, cut a shim from the beer can, remove the printing and then come back and tell him we were in luck, it was the last one I had, specially imported from Germany. That would have done it. A special shim from the private stock of Baron Alfred Krupp, who had to sell it at a great sacrifice. Then he would have gone gaga over it.
Unguote:
Ring a bell for anyone, in the context of DIY projects?
In other words.... I dream of a forum where an amplifier is not judged by the color of it's faceplate but by the character of it's contents.
Good night,
Phaedrus
P.S.
And what is good, Phædrus,
And what is not good...
Need we ask anyone to tell us these things?
An inquiry into values.
Quote:
When he brought his motorcycle over I got my wrenches out but then noticed that no amount of tightening would stop the slippage, because the ends of the collars were pinched shut.
``You're going to have to shim those out,'' I said.
``What's shim?''
``It's a thin, flat strip of metal. You just slip it around the handlebar under the collar there and it will open up the collar to where you can tighten it again. You use shims like that to make adjustments in all kinds of machines.''
``Oh,'' he said. He was getting interested. ``Good. Where do you buy them?''
``I've got some right here,'' I said gleefully, holding up a can of beer in my hand.
He didn't understand for a moment. Then he said, ``What, the can?''
``Sure,'' I said, ``best shim stock in the world.''
I thought this was pretty clever myself. Save him a trip to God knows where to get shim stock. Save him time. Save him money.
But to my surprise he didn't see the cleverness of this at all. In fact he got noticeably haughty about the whole thing. Pretty soon he was dodging and filling with all kinds of excuses and, before I realized what his real attitude was, we had decided not to fix the handlebars after all.
As far as I know those handlebars are still loose. And I believe now that he was actually offended at the time. I had had the nerve to propose repair of his new eighteen-hundred dollar BMW, the pride of a half-century of German mechanical finesse, with a piece of old beer can!
Ach, du lieber!
Since then we have had very few conversations about motorcycle maintenance. None, now that I think of it.
You push it any further and suddenly you are angry, without knowing why.
I should say, to explain this, that beer-can aluminum is soft and sticky, as metals go. Perfect for the application. Aluminum doesn't oxidize in wet weather...or, more precisely, it always has a thin layer of oxide that prevents any further oxidation. Also perfect.
In other words, any true German mechanic, with a half-century of mechanical finesse behind him, would have concluded that this particular solution to this particular technical problem was perfect.
For a while I thought what I should have done was sneak over to the workbench, cut a shim from the beer can, remove the printing and then come back and tell him we were in luck, it was the last one I had, specially imported from Germany. That would have done it. A special shim from the private stock of Baron Alfred Krupp, who had to sell it at a great sacrifice. Then he would have gone gaga over it.
Unguote:
Ring a bell for anyone, in the context of DIY projects?
In other words.... I dream of a forum where an amplifier is not judged by the color of it's faceplate but by the character of it's contents.
Good night,
Phaedrus
P.S.
And what is good, Phædrus,
And what is not good...
Need we ask anyone to tell us these things?
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Re: Zen and the art of DIY
Hahaha! Good ol' Phædrus. I LOVE the shim story.
I like to simply distill it all down to just this:
Quality is what you like.
se
Fred Dieckmann said:
Hahaha! Good ol' Phædrus. I LOVE the shim story.
I like to simply distill it all down to just this:
Quality is what you like.
se
Fred,
I'll bet if you were to take that mouse pad and put it on a nice flat cookie pan, and put it in the oven for a few minutes at about 150 degrees (that's Fahrenheit since you live in Texas and 65.55 degrees centigrade to the metric world, and don’t forget to turn the oven off when your done, and be sure to use an oven mit when you take them out. Oh yeah, let it cool off before you use it)… eh where was I?
Rodd Yamashita
I'll bet if you were to take that mouse pad and put it on a nice flat cookie pan, and put it in the oven for a few minutes at about 150 degrees (that's Fahrenheit since you live in Texas and 65.55 degrees centigrade to the metric world, and don’t forget to turn the oven off when your done, and be sure to use an oven mit when you take them out. Oh yeah, let it cool off before you use it)… eh where was I?
Rodd Yamashita
eh where was I?
I am afraid to ask after that one! Thanks, I think...... You know is funny is that I used to do someting simular and I believe Sonoran
"the cactus cables" used to do some thing similar with thier cables.
On the level,
Fred
P.S. You know why mice have such small balls? Not very many show up to the dance. Man that is not even funny at 3:30 AM....
I am truly sorry guys! I would like to apologize to all mice reading this.
I am afraid to ask after that one! Thanks, I think...... You know is funny is that I used to do someting simular and I believe Sonoran
"the cactus cables" used to do some thing similar with thier cables.
On the level,
Fred
P.S. You know why mice have such small balls? Not very many show up to the dance. Man that is not even funny at 3:30 AM....
I am truly sorry guys! I would like to apologize to all mice reading this.
Rudeboy Bill
Bill,
Having read your last post, I HAD to reply. It's good to hear (or read 😉 ) that you are at least aware of the fact that some of your posts come across quite harsh, sometimes even impolite. I'm glad to read your explanation and know, that these posts aren't made by malicious intent.
But regardless the intention you wrote them with, they sometimes still ARE impolite.
In some respect I share your opinion, I think that people can and should in some way be pushed more, because that's the only true way to improve oneself (in most cases). If you've decided to be honest to yourself and give yourself harder pushes, why not?
But concerning this forum, I think it is rather destructive than useful to adapt that principle.
I think there are a lot of "do it nicely"- people posting on this forum, who do a great job, and don't necessarily "smother points". Take Fred for example, he has a great gift in critizising people in a humorous, polite, but nevertheless clear way.
The trouble with your approach is, that communication between human beings tends to go wrong in most cases, especially when one doesn't know each other......... Polite critizism doesn't mean you have to lie, you CAN be honest without insulting someone or make him feel bad. The more polite you are, the more you can critsize someone without upsetting and hence making less open for suggested improvements.
If you critisize someone the kind way, they don't need balls, because there's nothing they have to supply. Instead, they will be much more open for suggestions how to do the job better next time or correct their faults.
Again, I agree with you, BUT: I don't think your approach is any better than praising "awful" projects. They both give an exagerrated view: lying to someone in the way you describe isn't constructive, as you pointed out, but telling someone how worthless his efforts were, is VERY discouraging and isn't any more constructive than lying to someone.
You got what you asked for.........
go for it, if you feel like, but please do it the nice, construcive, polite etc. way
No personal dislike towards you, but I had to tell ya. 🙂
cheers,
bob
Bill,
Bill Fitzpatrick said:
Having read your last post, I HAD to reply. It's good to hear (or read 😉 ) that you are at least aware of the fact that some of your posts come across quite harsh, sometimes even impolite. I'm glad to read your explanation and know, that these posts aren't made by malicious intent.
But regardless the intention you wrote them with, they sometimes still ARE impolite.
Bill Fitzpatrick said:
In some respect I share your opinion, I think that people can and should in some way be pushed more, because that's the only true way to improve oneself (in most cases). If you've decided to be honest to yourself and give yourself harder pushes, why not?
But concerning this forum, I think it is rather destructive than useful to adapt that principle.
Bill Fitzpatrick said:
I think there are a lot of "do it nicely"- people posting on this forum, who do a great job, and don't necessarily "smother points". Take Fred for example, he has a great gift in critizising people in a humorous, polite, but nevertheless clear way.
The trouble with your approach is, that communication between human beings tends to go wrong in most cases, especially when one doesn't know each other......... Polite critizism doesn't mean you have to lie, you CAN be honest without insulting someone or make him feel bad. The more polite you are, the more you can critsize someone without upsetting and hence making less open for suggested improvements.
Bill Fitzpatrick said:
If you critisize someone the kind way, they don't need balls, because there's nothing they have to supply. Instead, they will be much more open for suggestions how to do the job better next time or correct their faults.
Bill Fitzpatrick said:
Again, I agree with you, BUT: I don't think your approach is any better than praising "awful" projects. They both give an exagerrated view: lying to someone in the way you describe isn't constructive, as you pointed out, but telling someone how worthless his efforts were, is VERY discouraging and isn't any more constructive than lying to someone.
Bill Fitzpatrick said:
You got what you asked for.........
Bill Fitzpatrick said:
go for it, if you feel like, but please do it the nice, construcive, polite etc. way
No personal dislike towards you, but I had to tell ya. 🙂
cheers,
bob
When I was a lot younger I went to King Edward Technical College in Dunedin. One subject I loved was metalwork. In the 3rd year we had a tutor Mr PITA. We hated him.
Hold that damn scriber correctly, hasn't anyone told you how to even hold a scriber.
No sir you are our first metalwork teacher.
Well you should have learned by now.
mutter mutter
You boys talking.
No sir.
Go and get some steel bar and cut off two half inch lengths
How sir
With a hacksaw you stupid boy
Never used a hacksaw Sir
Well you should have learned by now.
This went on all year and I nearly gave up on my favourite subject.
Next year we had a different tutor.
Hello boys my name is Mr NOPITA
Anything you boys are not sure of just ask, be glad to help.
Thank you sir.
Good now you boys all know the best way to look after good tools is to keep them clean and stored properly on a tool rack.
Why not just throw them in a box Sir.
Because the tools can rub against each other and dull the edges and its hard to find what you want in box of tools so lets make a tool rack.
This went on all year and I learned a lot from Mr NOPITA. And I did quite well in the end of year exam.
Next year we had Mr NOPITA again
This year boys we learn about lathes, milling machines and welding
Fairly advanced.
Letting boys loose on a lathe could have been a disaster but Mr NOPITA had taken the trouble to build a metal lathe just for us boys and it turned wood not steel. He showed us how to use it. We turned bowls and turned down wooden dowels and practised cutting off. We learned about collets and turning between centres. Over in the corner was a Myford English metal lathe. After 3 months on the wood we moved over to the Myford and used steel. It was easy. We fitted short rods in the 3 jaw chuck and turned them down. We put centres in rods and turned them between centres.
All under the watchful eye of Mr NOPITA.
Most of us got up to a good standard.
He never criticised us. He never called us fools and idiots. We made heaps of mistakes. He took the time and showed us how to learn from our mistakes.
I never forgot his helpfull attitude.
Hold that damn scriber correctly, hasn't anyone told you how to even hold a scriber.
No sir you are our first metalwork teacher.
Well you should have learned by now.
mutter mutter
You boys talking.
No sir.
Go and get some steel bar and cut off two half inch lengths
How sir
With a hacksaw you stupid boy
Never used a hacksaw Sir
Well you should have learned by now.
This went on all year and I nearly gave up on my favourite subject.
Next year we had a different tutor.
Hello boys my name is Mr NOPITA
Anything you boys are not sure of just ask, be glad to help.
Thank you sir.
Good now you boys all know the best way to look after good tools is to keep them clean and stored properly on a tool rack.
Why not just throw them in a box Sir.
Because the tools can rub against each other and dull the edges and its hard to find what you want in box of tools so lets make a tool rack.
This went on all year and I learned a lot from Mr NOPITA. And I did quite well in the end of year exam.
Next year we had Mr NOPITA again
This year boys we learn about lathes, milling machines and welding
Fairly advanced.
Letting boys loose on a lathe could have been a disaster but Mr NOPITA had taken the trouble to build a metal lathe just for us boys and it turned wood not steel. He showed us how to use it. We turned bowls and turned down wooden dowels and practised cutting off. We learned about collets and turning between centres. Over in the corner was a Myford English metal lathe. After 3 months on the wood we moved over to the Myford and used steel. It was easy. We fitted short rods in the 3 jaw chuck and turned them down. We put centres in rods and turned them between centres.
All under the watchful eye of Mr NOPITA.
Most of us got up to a good standard.
He never criticised us. He never called us fools and idiots. We made heaps of mistakes. He took the time and showed us how to learn from our mistakes.
I never forgot his helpfull attitude.
BAD PUN ALERT
and Mr. NOPITA showed PITY on you all
First off, After some editing my new website is up (mostly).
This is some of comms between Dave and I -
......Consider it part of my beautifing the web campaign....I needed a bit of recreation so i did a hack at your site.
Organized it a bit better, fixed the spellers, simplified it.....
<http://homepage.mac.com/planet10/mrfeedback/>
Should shut BF up.
"....THANKS.....The truth is the pages I set up were done in about 2 hours including searching for and downloading a few web page editors and an ftp upload transfer program, learning how to use them, and creating what I posted, and with the intention of getting back to it sometime to clean it up......".
And more of Dave's philanthropy.
So Dave, thankyou for your generous and stirling efforts.
Having read and now understood your code, you have now increased my knowledge of web page authoring by about a million percent, and thanks for that too.
Remp, sure I agree. Actually it is in a different place - that is an old photo.
Peter, it sounds like our workshops are in good company then.
Bill, the 0.2 star rating is actually attacking Daves coding work.
For your information there are a whole bunch of mistakes on your website if you care to take a close and thorough look - it does not look all that professional or finished really when you come up against these errors.
"....To me, it's all about quality - do well or do something else...." - Yup you said it Bill, and on this I agree unreservedly.
"....Critisize me all you want....."
Ok, stop making sarcastic and bitchy personal attacks - it is not a good look in a man, and nobody else here resorts to doing so.
Instead of making naysaying posts, give some concrete and usefull advice or experience, or leave it alone.
If you are able to give advice, do so in an encouraging and constructive way, for there are many novices present.
Heed the thoughts of Dave, Peter, Fred and Bob.
Bill, this is all given in the best spirit for the benefit of the forum - what mode you choose outside this community is for you to decide.
Eric.
This is some of comms between Dave and I -
......Consider it part of my beautifing the web campaign....I needed a bit of recreation so i did a hack at your site.
Organized it a bit better, fixed the spellers, simplified it.....
<http://homepage.mac.com/planet10/mrfeedback/>
Should shut BF up.
"....THANKS.....The truth is the pages I set up were done in about 2 hours including searching for and downloading a few web page editors and an ftp upload transfer program, learning how to use them, and creating what I posted, and with the intention of getting back to it sometime to clean it up......".
And more of Dave's philanthropy.
So Dave, thankyou for your generous and stirling efforts.
Having read and now understood your code, you have now increased my knowledge of web page authoring by about a million percent, and thanks for that too.
Remp, sure I agree. Actually it is in a different place - that is an old photo.
Peter, it sounds like our workshops are in good company then.
Bill, the 0.2 star rating is actually attacking Daves coding work.
For your information there are a whole bunch of mistakes on your website if you care to take a close and thorough look - it does not look all that professional or finished really when you come up against these errors.
"....To me, it's all about quality - do well or do something else...." - Yup you said it Bill, and on this I agree unreservedly.
"....Critisize me all you want....."
Ok, stop making sarcastic and bitchy personal attacks - it is not a good look in a man, and nobody else here resorts to doing so.
Instead of making naysaying posts, give some concrete and usefull advice or experience, or leave it alone.
If you are able to give advice, do so in an encouraging and constructive way, for there are many novices present.
Heed the thoughts of Dave, Peter, Fred and Bob.
Bill, this is all given in the best spirit for the benefit of the forum - what mode you choose outside this community is for you to decide.
Eric.
Bill - do you remember the story of the boy who cried Wolf?
To Bill Fitzpatrick
I think it applies to your behavior-
You behave so critical and negative that no one really takes you seriously - just always something negative going to come from you next.
You have asked for constuctive criticsm.
Well, it is incredible that someone actually wears their negativety as if it were a badge of honor - And don't fool yourself that you are doing the world a service - you're not.
All you're doing is spreading one of the most miserable philosophies of life I have ever seen.
To both Mr Feedback and Bill Fitzpatrick.
You both obviously have a very strong conflict with each other.
I suggest that you each stay away from each other and refrain from posting to each other or about each other in addition to not making statements about each other, definitely refrain from the snide remarks.
Regardless of what _great benefit_ either of you think you may be able to bring to this place by interacting with each other, that will certainly be flogging a dead horse.
Perhaps there will be hope for one or both of you if you stay away from each other. However, I doubt very much that is hope for either of you if you keep it up, hammering at each other.
Quite sincerely
Ken L
To Bill Fitzpatrick
I think it applies to your behavior-
You behave so critical and negative that no one really takes you seriously - just always something negative going to come from you next.
You have asked for constuctive criticsm.
Well, it is incredible that someone actually wears their negativety as if it were a badge of honor - And don't fool yourself that you are doing the world a service - you're not.
All you're doing is spreading one of the most miserable philosophies of life I have ever seen.
To both Mr Feedback and Bill Fitzpatrick.
You both obviously have a very strong conflict with each other.
I suggest that you each stay away from each other and refrain from posting to each other or about each other in addition to not making statements about each other, definitely refrain from the snide remarks.
Regardless of what _great benefit_ either of you think you may be able to bring to this place by interacting with each other, that will certainly be flogging a dead horse.
Perhaps there will be hope for one or both of you if you stay away from each other. However, I doubt very much that is hope for either of you if you keep it up, hammering at each other.
Quite sincerely
Ken L
Ken, the whole point here is that BF decided a good long while ago that he is entitled to make personal attacks on me, and without reason.
I have never been impolite to him, nor sarcastic or snide - I have instead been frank and sincere.
So, Bill how about a sincere apology for your attacks on me, and then the matter is finished.
Eric.
I have never been impolite to him, nor sarcastic or snide - I have instead been frank and sincere.
So, Bill how about a sincere apology for your attacks on me, and then the matter is finished.
Eric.
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