Tell you what. If I could build my own I would. So go build it and start a thread so we can all build it to.
Looking forward to the L1 and cant wait to compare it to my B1.
Uriah
Looking forward to the L1 and cant wait to compare it to my B1.
Uriah
Yeah.
I have done one such basic buffer circuit already.
Even posted it here in Pass forum ...
And I know just what the circuit will be like. It is in my head.
The hard part is to find that N-JFET with like 5-10 mA at Vgs ~0.7 Volt.
And that qualifies good for Audio use (low noise etc)
Last time I tested some N-JFETs in my sim library, I did not run in to one suitable.
But I only had patients to try like 5% of all available.
Will take half a day to try all 😀
I have done one such basic buffer circuit already.
Even posted it here in Pass forum ...
And I know just what the circuit will be like. It is in my head.
The hard part is to find that N-JFET with like 5-10 mA at Vgs ~0.7 Volt.
And that qualifies good for Audio use (low noise etc)
Last time I tested some N-JFETs in my sim library, I did not run in to one suitable.
But I only had patients to try like 5% of all available.
Will take half a day to try all 😀
Lineup shot me down..........
Dear Lineup,
............you mean two more reasons.
Well in some people think Mr.Pass is god (notice I spelled that with a small 'g' ),and that sould be reason enough but it would be nice to do a comparison of your respective topologies.
Best regards,
Jam
Dear Lineup,
............you mean two more reasons.
Well in some people think Mr.Pass is god (notice I spelled that with a small 'g' ),and that sould be reason enough but it would be nice to do a comparison of your respective topologies.
Best regards,
Jam

Tolu said:
The question is if the 45k of the DS1802 is input or output impedance!
Never looked at the Datasheet until just now - it's here
http://datasheets.maxim-ic.com/en/ds/DS1802.pdf
Looks to me like you treat it just like a 45K pot with 400 ohm wiper resistance. Unless I'm missing something, the max. source impedance is 45K/4 + 400 = 11.65K ohms. Should be fine.
Professor Smith
I have split off many of Professor Smith's questions and the answers to here:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=130708&perpage=25&pagenumber=1
The new thread should be used for all questions by Professor Smith and the answers to them. Prof Smith, don't post more questions in this thread, that way they will all be in one place and be of the most use to other people starting out, and this thread won't be so scattered.

Variac
I have split off many of Professor Smith's questions and the answers to here:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=130708&perpage=25&pagenumber=1
The new thread should be used for all questions by Professor Smith and the answers to them. Prof Smith, don't post more questions in this thread, that way they will all be in one place and be of the most use to other people starting out, and this thread won't be so scattered.

Variac
Absolutely nothing wrong with this implementation
It's ZMs modified schematic with dip-8 sockets for the jfets and 9V battery power. I was going to try 2SJ108 GR in there, but I broke the tabs off the pot (fake alps) and haven't gotten around to replacing it, so it's out of commission at the moment
(AP 1.7 on the left, F4 on the right)
Thank you Nelson Pass
It's ZMs modified schematic with dip-8 sockets for the jfets and 9V battery power. I was going to try 2SJ108 GR in there, but I broke the tabs off the pot (fake alps) and haven't gotten around to replacing it, so it's out of commission at the moment
(AP 1.7 on the left, F4 on the right)
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
Thank you Nelson Pass
I like the idea of using the sockets. If someday you want switch in something else or use the 2sk170 in another project its easy peasey.
Plus soldering them is a bit tedious.
Uriah
Plus soldering them is a bit tedious.
Uriah
twitchie said:Absolutely nothing wrong with this implementation
It's ZMs modified schematic with dip-8 sockets for the jfets and 9V battery power. I was going to try 2SJ108 GR in there, but I broke the tabs off the pot (fake alps) and haven't gotten around to replacing it, so it's out of commission at the moment
Thank you Nelson Pass
Very nice, did you listen to it? See about offset before the output capacitors. Should be minimal with matched fets. Tap off from there to output and listen without them caps too. It sounds better.
Salas,
Do you still find that +/- 10V is the best operating voltage for the buffer? Have you tried higher Idss devices or tried doubling up the devices?
Jam
Do you still find that +/- 10V is the best operating voltage for the buffer? Have you tried higher Idss devices or tried doubling up the devices?
Jam
Had a discussion with John Curl about that recently. We concluded that it must be some Idss related sweet spot. For 7mA Idss that I used (most common mean average is 7-8mA for BL batches in my experience) it is subjective performance wise valid. I have carefully arrived to +/- 10V. For other Idss picked devices it may be a bit different. Since I haven't made another non caps B1 to compare with say 10mA devices, I just recommend trimmers for the supplies and some auditioning with different symmetric voltages. It pays off.
salas said:Had a discussion with John Curl about that recently. We concluded that it must be some Idss related sweet spot. For 7mA Idss that I used (most common mean average is 7-8mA for BL batches in my experience) it is subjective performance wise valid. I have carefully arrived to +/- 10V. For other Idss picked devices it may be a bit different. Since I haven't made another non caps B1 to compare with say 10mA devices, I just recommend trimmers for the supplies and some auditioning with different symmetric voltages. It pays off.
You are quite right. I have data on that subject, as probably does John,
although you need not assume symmetric voltages.
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Thanks Nelson for contributing in this minor issue.
I don't assume symmetric supplies per se, it just happens I used such in my B1 capacitor-less coupling version example. The absolute best D to S voltage difference in such a circuit for given Idss is in focus.
I don't assume symmetric supplies per se, it just happens I used such in my B1 capacitor-less coupling version example. The absolute best D to S voltage difference in such a circuit for given Idss is in focus.
Mr.Pass and Salas,
It might a good idea plot Idss/Voltage for optimal sound.
The question I have is there a correlation between Idss, voltage and distortion and if so is it measurable?
Jam
It might a good idea plot Idss/Voltage for optimal sound.
The question I have is there a correlation between Idss, voltage and distortion and if so is it measurable?
Jam
From my side, I only stumbled on it subjectively. So I don't have some lab data. Nelson said he has some. I would be most interested to know more too.
Its more than nice, but I wonder if there will be successors to them, or it will be like CD and vinyl.🙁
salas said:Its more than nice, but I wonder if there will be successors to them, or it will be like CD and vinyl.🙁
As much as I'm an admirer of his work and his aesthetic, and as much as I thank him for sharing with the community and allowing me access to audio that would otherwise be beyond my means, I don't think even Mr. Pass could replace vinyl. 🙂
-d
🙂 I meant the gloomy scenario of inferior hi-tec successors proving fake beyond the glitter, like CD that sadly could not hold a candle to vinyl.
I do have some nice data - curves and spectral analysis for a range of
conditions, but I have been saving them for the Big Buffer Article, which is
lagging way off schedule.
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conditions, but I have been saving them for the Big Buffer Article, which is
lagging way off schedule.
😎
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