Re: Re: Re: Carlos is my Friend. 🙂
I know that, but the concept still holds...
If the files are lossless then they aren't MP3s.
dave
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jleaman said:
I know that, but the concept still holds...
If the files are lossless then they aren't MP3s.
dave
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Carlos is my Friend. 🙂
Just started.. going to be up at 8am too 😀
And mp3's are good if there at a decent bit-rate..
planet10 said:
Just started.. going to be up at 8am too 😀
And mp3's are good if there at a decent bit-rate..
Hi,
now we are into the realms of everything else.
Lossless compression is what MLP does (patented by Meridian). Are there any others?
What is a decent bit rate for MP3?
Is DAB and MP3 similar in sound quality when carried at the same bit rate?
Someone recently wrote that MP3 is better than NICAM, but I don't agree. To me NICAM sounds good, both in music terms and in TV sound effects. MP3 is just cluttered music, OK for background and not even good for discos.
now we are into the realms of everything else.
Lossless compression is what MLP does (patented by Meridian). Are there any others?
What is a decent bit rate for MP3?
Is DAB and MP3 similar in sound quality when carried at the same bit rate?
Someone recently wrote that MP3 is better than NICAM, but I don't agree. To me NICAM sounds good, both in music terms and in TV sound effects. MP3 is just cluttered music, OK for background and not even good for discos.
Re: No...i have only a Psychologist degrée...i have not the rigth
I have no doubt that you do have lots of emails supporting your ideas. However, if those are from the kinds of guys insisting that MOSFET JLH isn't JLH, you should seriously question them and send them to Nelson as Nelson clearly thinks otherwise in his latest design. Maybe your guys can teach Nelson a thing or two about amp design.
Sometimes it really amazes me how people can argue against reality. That kind of comments I would call "destructive".
destroyer X said:
I have no doubt that you do have lots of emails supporting your ideas. However, if those are from the kinds of guys insisting that MOSFET JLH isn't JLH, you should seriously question them and send them to Nelson as Nelson clearly thinks otherwise in his latest design. Maybe your guys can teach Nelson a thing or two about amp design.
Sometimes it really amazes me how people can argue against reality. That kind of comments I would call "destructive".
Re: Carlos is my Friend. 🙂
it is hard to say that as there are many kinds of mp3. some of them remove more information from the original content and some of them remove less. so you will find mp3s that are audibly different from the original, and others aren't.
Dragon2 said:
it is hard to say that as there are many kinds of mp3. some of them remove more information from the original content and some of them remove less. so you will find mp3s that are audibly different from the original, and others aren't.
Re: Evaluating by results, observing the number of people that disappeared...i suppose
that is a mis-conception. The forum is a public forum - open access to its members, kind like a park or a public beach. Think about you strolling down the beach one day and a guy there is preaching how smoking had cured his lung cancer. And you commented to people around you saying that more studies need to be done before taking the guy's advice seriously and he started charging at you and chasing you off the beach.
And you still think that's fair?
The solution? I proposed this to you a while ago and I want to propose it again: have your own private forum and then you can invite your friends over and you can all talk about how great a job smoking has done eradicating lung cancer for all you, without being harassed by the non-believers.
As long as you post your views to a public forum, it is unrealistic and unreasonable to expect others NOT to comment on it.
destroyer X said:
that is a mis-conception. The forum is a public forum - open access to its members, kind like a park or a public beach. Think about you strolling down the beach one day and a guy there is preaching how smoking had cured his lung cancer. And you commented to people around you saying that more studies need to be done before taking the guy's advice seriously and he started charging at you and chasing you off the beach.
And you still think that's fair?
The solution? I proposed this to you a while ago and I want to propose it again: have your own private forum and then you can invite your friends over and you can all talk about how great a job smoking has done eradicating lung cancer for all you, without being harassed by the non-believers.
As long as you post your views to a public forum, it is unrealistic and unreasonable to expect others NOT to comment on it.
Apple i-tunes,which is free, has the option to rip stuff using something call Apple Lossless or similar, Planet 10 can tell us I'm sure..
It comes out a lot bigger than MP3, but still about half the size of a .wav file of a CD.
It comes out a lot bigger than MP3, but still about half the size of a .wav file of a CD.
MP-3
Hi
MP-3 is compressing CD files about 10 to 1 at 128K and was for computer, not for hi-fi. 🙄
With the best encoder ( at 320K ) on a good sound system, it is easy to hear difference between CD and MP-3. 🙂
Just try piano and applause! 😉
MP-3 is in my opinion totally unsuitable for hi-fi. 😉
Hi
MP-3 is compressing CD files about 10 to 1 at 128K and was for computer, not for hi-fi. 🙄
With the best encoder ( at 320K ) on a good sound system, it is easy to hear difference between CD and MP-3. 🙂
Just try piano and applause! 😉
MP-3 is in my opinion totally unsuitable for hi-fi. 😉
Re: MP-3
it is all subjective. when CDs came out, people said the same thing about it (CDs are essentially a lossy compression of analog signals).
Most people would agree now that CDs are hi-fi.
And if you really think about it, unless you have live events, you are going to incur information losses somewhere. so why take an extreme view on any media?
to me, what is hi-fi is if my ears can tell. to me, I cannot tell 128k mp3 from CDs so it is hi-fi to me.
Of course, everyone of us may come up with different answers.
Dragon2 said:
it is all subjective. when CDs came out, people said the same thing about it (CDs are essentially a lossy compression of analog signals).
Most people would agree now that CDs are hi-fi.
And if you really think about it, unless you have live events, you are going to incur information losses somewhere. so why take an extreme view on any media?
to me, what is hi-fi is if my ears can tell. to me, I cannot tell 128k mp3 from CDs so it is hi-fi to me.
Of course, everyone of us may come up with different answers.
Re: Oh!...i am feeling very sad....now i know why this guys disappeared from forum..many
it really amuses me as to what some of us want. On one hand, members are being scorned for not trying enough, and holding too much onto theories.
this particular exchange, tho., scorns the members for trying too much, and not holding onto the believes that the author(s) thinks correct.
Can some one please propose a solution so that we can follow your line of sanity? I mean, maybe you should lay out a bunch of rules as to when we should try something new, how we should try them, and when we should stop trying, and what we should never try, and when we should say "yes" and when we should agree with you all-mighty.
Since when has it become a crime to disagree with certain forum members?
To me, it seems some members think they are more equal than the rest of us.
so if we cannot convince them, we shall censor them.
That sounds very democratic.
Yeah, right.
destroyer X said:
it really amuses me as to what some of us want. On one hand, members are being scorned for not trying enough, and holding too much onto theories.
this particular exchange, tho., scorns the members for trying too much, and not holding onto the believes that the author(s) thinks correct.
Can some one please propose a solution so that we can follow your line of sanity? I mean, maybe you should lay out a bunch of rules as to when we should try something new, how we should try them, and when we should stop trying, and what we should never try, and when we should say "yes" and when we should agree with you all-mighty.
Since when has it become a crime to disagree with certain forum members?
To me, it seems some members think they are more equal than the rest of us.
destroyer X said:
so if we cannot convince them, we shall censor them.
That sounds very democratic.
Yeah, right.
Mp-3
Hi TLF9999
You are right!
I dream of 24 bits, 192 khz DVD audio but... we are between SACD and DVD so nothing will be done. It is worse than VHS and BETA because CD is already there.
You are right again but it is not my opinion! 😉
TLF9999 you are a lucky guy! It take me 10 Cd to hold the music you put on one CD.
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Hi TLF9999
You are right!
I dream of 24 bits, 192 khz DVD audio but... we are between SACD and DVD so nothing will be done. It is worse than VHS and BETA because CD is already there.
You are right again but it is not my opinion! 😉
TLF9999 you are a lucky guy! It take me 10 Cd to hold the music you put on one CD.
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I always think that I am half deaf and that's why I couldn't compete with those golden ear types, 🙂.
What I am really interested is to see how well those golden ears fare in an objective and scientific testing. It wouldn't surprise me most of them will fail.
Kind of reminds of those esteemed audio experts in the Carver Challenge.
What I am really interested is to see how well those golden ears fare in an objective and scientific testing. It wouldn't surprise me most of them will fail.
Kind of reminds of those esteemed audio experts in the Carver Challenge.
Hi tlf9999,
Is there a part of your music system you are most fond of? On the other hand, is there a part of your system you are looking to upgrade soon? If so, what are you thinking of doing?
I find myself with a similar problem. I'm still clinging to my version of that: "My mind was so occupied on what I was thinking about that I missed the first part of your statement"
Is there a part of your music system you are most fond of? On the other hand, is there a part of your system you are looking to upgrade soon? If so, what are you thinking of doing?
I find myself with a similar problem. I'm still clinging to my version of that: "My mind was so occupied on what I was thinking about that I missed the first part of your statement"
Re: Mp-3
DVD-HD or BlueRay (DVD-HD is a path of least resistance cop-out IMHO) have already sounded the death-knell for DVD-A & SACD. The improvement over CD was there but not large enuff to move the masses. Just as well. With something like 5x the data storage BlueRay offers the opportunity for more bits and more importantly, a higher sampling rate. Digital audio should really be a minimum 384k/24 bits, with 32 bit min internal processing.
dave
Dragon2 said:
DVD-HD or BlueRay (DVD-HD is a path of least resistance cop-out IMHO) have already sounded the death-knell for DVD-A & SACD. The improvement over CD was there but not large enuff to move the masses. Just as well. With something like 5x the data storage BlueRay offers the opportunity for more bits and more importantly, a higher sampling rate. Digital audio should really be a minimum 384k/24 bits, with 32 bit min internal processing.
dave
Re: Re: Mp-3
with the organic green ray they are developing somewhere on mars, we should have audiphile-grade 64G/256M bits format soon.
However, that's still not good enough for our most demanding golden ears, reliable sources say.
planet10 said:
with the organic green ray they are developing somewhere on mars, we should have audiphile-grade 64G/256M bits format soon.
However, that's still not good enough for our most demanding golden ears, reliable sources say.
Re: Re: Re: Mp-3
24 bits already exceeds the human ears dynamic range (even in the most optimistic veiws of the human auditory system. The threshold of the most acute seems to be around 21 bits -- so 24 gives us 3 orders of magnitude safety margin.
On the other hand, when the 1st Sony CD white papers were published i was taking a uni course studying the underlying math involved. I said that before they got it right we would need sampling at least 4 times higher (ie 192 khz. Experience with DVD-A & SACD seem to substantiate this statement as they are approaching the threshold set by good analog, so 8 or 16 times seems to be a good minimum to shoot for.
dave
tlf9999 said:
24 bits already exceeds the human ears dynamic range (even in the most optimistic veiws of the human auditory system. The threshold of the most acute seems to be around 21 bits -- so 24 gives us 3 orders of magnitude safety margin.
On the other hand, when the 1st Sony CD white papers were published i was taking a uni course studying the underlying math involved. I said that before they got it right we would need sampling at least 4 times higher (ie 192 khz. Experience with DVD-A & SACD seem to substantiate this statement as they are approaching the threshold set by good analog, so 8 or 16 times seems to be a good minimum to shoot for.
dave
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