Well, this is the challenge - to actually recreate an other venue in your home venue. I think it is possible - but the lack of a system design, and by system I mean the whole air-2-air chain, which theoretically can achieve this is unfortunately lacking.
Who is up to the task to define such a system?
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I am old enough to remember when the experts either wrote in magazines or owned reputable hifi stores, now, with the internet, everyone is a bloody expert.
The thread was started with the non-scienfic, non-engineering but very social and familiar question of "Are you really interested in Hi-Fi".
Sure the thread meanders and subjects change a little but nowhere has anyone been trying to come up with some seriously disciplined scientific or engineering solution to a specific problem.
Just relax and shoot the breeze, have a mild disagreement about something. This is The Lounge where people come to lounge about, not have to be so serious as sometimes people may feel compelled to be on other parts of the forum
personally I've just been explaining my own take on the question and why my answer is yes. I don't expect and wouldn't want to impose that thinking or reasoning on anyone else - unless of course they are trying to do that to me and therefore I feel the need to stop them imposing their view on me, normally by further explaining where I'm coming from..
Never has so much information been available to the average person! There is real potential there for everyone to really be an expert..
It's the motivation that is lacking - prefered position is to use that information to simply be contrarian with experts as it gives one some sense of importance..
At least we know then that many people feel unimportant in their lives so we can try to help people with that to improve society.
But why would you want to do that?
The visual of being in the living room would ruin it. So you'd have to listen with your eyes closed. If they're closed, you're likely be still.
So wear headphones instead! Binaural.
VR doesn't try to recreate a 360 degree visual in your home - it is recognised to be impractical. Audio is easier but still you'd no longer have a living room, you'd have an audio installation like in a museum or gallery.
Here is an interesting thing, the Theatrophone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Théâtrophone. Binaural piped into the home from a theatre... in 1881 !
No problem with that, as long as the environment is defined, so there is a reproducible test.
Interesting point. I've noticed that these audio forums are frequented by many retirees with too much free time on their hands. Given such setting to lonely retired man who's too old to "party" and uninformed on audio electronics, you've got perfect storm for the spread of audiophile myth.
Then again, there are those uninformed in cognitive psychology, and you've got a perfect storm for making up just-so stories.
Ooh, can't let that snide comment pass! As a retiree, who does motorcycle trackdays, longboarding and making a good part of my own stereo. Along with all the family stuff. And I may be uneducated in terms of electronics, but uninformed I am not. But neither am I locked into narrow thought processes, and can see something beyond comforting numberwang, to ask bigger questions, and not try to put limits on our common interest.
I can see that a simple set of numbers to define the goal will make design and manufacture so much easier. And I am grateful to all those who can do that, otherwise I would be helpless, but that doesn't give them exclusive ownership of the ideas that underpin listening to and understanding music replay.
Far too often there is a quasi-religious zeal to decry any other ideas but what they can measure.
And how much free time do they have to post here and on multiple threads in other parts of this forum? Get on with some work, slackers!
How's that? 😀
To "see" something, is to have it appear in conscious awareness (likewise for "noticing" explanations about human behaviors, same as "seeing" it, essentially). Every human "sees" things that are self-evidently true. Except, where exactly does the "seeing" come from? Few people have studied the science on that subject. The books, Thinking Fast and Slow, and, The Righteous Mind, are great to start leaning about it.
If no interest in learning how one's own mind "sees" things, how can it be justified to criticize an audiophile who can't be bothered to learn electronics? Understanding the latter is much less important that understanding the former, as how one "sees" things affects everything in life, not just audio.
I'm just trying to make the point that some study is worth doing. It pays off, so why not?
If no interest in learning how one's own mind "sees" things, how can it be justified to criticize an audiophile who can't be bothered to learn electronics? Understanding the latter is much less important that understanding the former, as how one "sees" things affects everything in life, not just audio.
I'm just trying to make the point that some study is worth doing. It pays off, so why not?
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Just read a longer post about a guy who likes track days. What group do you ride with? Around here they break up into A, B, and C groups. DP Safety School, Keith Code, etc. You a fast guy?
I do often listen with shut eyes. Also at live concert. I don't like phones so for me it is not a solution. Not in it's current incarnation anyway. Maybe the solution to my question is headphones but then a few vital aspects need to change. Maybe actually phones is in the end, the only way.
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The older I get, the faster I was. 😀
I used to be intermediate, with occasional forays into the fast group at Cadwell Park. But I'll be 70 next year, and my injuries no longer heal very well, so I have dropped myself down into the novice group. I don't do many any more (I've done 30 or so since 2000, when I started), and I'm no longer allowed out on my own! 😡 My son wants to do one with me before it's too late, so I am looking at Mallory in May.
After running into the back of someone way too slow I went from an SV650S to a Fireblade, and discovered it was me, not the bike, that was slow. After concussion and 4 fractures! So back to an SV.
BTW, those leathers were cut off me 3 or 4 years ago, so I have a new set.
A wonderful self promoting resume sir, but does it qualify You as an audio expert?😛The older I get, the faster I was. 😀
I used to be intermediate, with occasional forays into the fast group at Cadwell Park. But I'll be 70 next year, and my injuries no longer heal very well, so I have dropped myself down into the novice group. I don't do many any more (I've done 30 or so since 2000, when I started), and I'm no longer allowed out on my own! 😡 My son wants to do one with me before it's too late, so I am looking at Mallory in May.
After running into the back of someone way too slow I went from an SV650S to a Fireblade, and discovered it was me, not the bike, that was slow. After concussion and 4 fractures! So back to an SV.
BTW, those leathers were cut off me 3 or 4 years ago, so I have a new set.
I never claimed to be. And I was asked about the trackdays. After all this is the Lounge.
Sounds like sour grapes.😛
Is Hi Fi, or high fidelity, a general reference term for home sound reproducing equipment? I tend to think the general public thinks of Hi Fi this way.
Or is Hi Fi some kind of reference standard(s) determined by some "body" for determining quality standards for audio reproducing equipment? If this is so, who/what is the "body" for determining these standards? DF96 writes more along this line of thought. But there is no real "body" for this that is generally recognized. Thus, most all makers of specialty audio equipment identify theirs as Hi Fi, as everyone can have their own definition and standards.
Or is Hi Fi some kind of reference standard(s) determined by some "body" for determining quality standards for audio reproducing equipment? If this is so, who/what is the "body" for determining these standards? DF96 writes more along this line of thought. But there is no real "body" for this that is generally recognized. Thus, most all makers of specialty audio equipment identify theirs as Hi Fi, as everyone can have their own definition and standards.
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