Are you REALLY going to be dead ?

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For the skeptical , they will never believe till something happens to them and that will not happen to all of them.
One of the mysteries, some will call a form of self-delusion:

Some things will never happen unless you believe in them first.

I believe that by my belief in something, it is opened to me. I don't will it into existence. It is already there. By my belief it is manifested to me.
 
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I do not think that "belief" in something is a pre-requisite for making that something apparent; just an open mind (not so open that your brain falls out- Bertrand Russel) that will accept what is evidently true when presented to you will do.
A belief that is too strong can provide limitations to your ability to see clearly what is real. However, the corollary to that is that "without" a strong belief in some things many answers and discoveries might never have happened.
Also beliefs, like wants can be infinite in extent which again (if you have them) can limit your sense of what is real and/or needed. It is a truely a monumental task to differentiate between what is and what is not worth believing in, and what is or what is not true. We all have to decide for ourselves which is a wonderful process of exploration.

Of course some people have it easy in that their belief system is all encompassing and it gives them everything they need without doubt or question. Their path is clear, it is just a question of walking down the path to the light at the end of the tunnel.

Personally I would rather hack my way across country with a machete and make a new path even though it will be much harder work. Who said it should be easy anyway!

Ramble on!?
 
I was a mathematics major as an undergraduate.

Then I got my PhD in philosophy.

As my thesis, my paper was entitled "The Indestructibility of Information"


Long story short...

Whenever the universe creates something that differentiates itself from random noise (in other words, a pattern of some kind) then the universe preserves it.

It doesn't die.

Even if its form changes form.


I illustrate it thusly:

Many times the brain has been compared to a hologram. Holograms and brains have the following properties in common:

- They contain information
- Division of the whole creates parts which sum to provide information contained in the whole
- Assays (analysis of the information) of the parts reveal "ghosts" of the whole
- No part can be "completely" destroyed
- If the whole hologram is "destroyed" (unreadable) then the universe "assimilates" the information in the fields surrounding the holographic medium


So what it all means is that though you might be killed, burned, exploded, or whatever else.... there is an indestructable part of you that remains imprinted and (there is evidence to suggest) continues to be active in the remainder of the universe around your now-defunct physical body.

Yes, we are eternal.

We are spirit living a physical existence.

Sorry to bring this up again but I really have trouble to get what you are trying to say.

If we boil it down to basics: Are you saying that if I show you an iron atom it would be possible to tell if it was taken from ore, a cast-iron pot, a magnet or a blood cell?
If yes, how?
If no, wouldn't that negate your thesis?
 
Ok I will try to explain without getting into information theory and a lot of greek.


"What is done in one place, is anti-done to all other places."

Logically, you see that is is true but still hard to grasp. It is analogous to saying "I move my spaceship forward by holding it still and forcing the universe behind me."

There is no way to separate one truth from the other, so they are equivalent, although no one really thinks this way by habit.

So,

If your consciousness, experiences, thoughts, are... (that is to say, they exist) then ceasing them at your physical location forces them to continue outside of it.

People who report out-of-body experiences or near-death experiences often testify to being in a place where there was no time or physical restriction. Their mind was free to go to anyplace, anywhere, and "see" it even though they had no eyes.

It would be harder for me to believe this so strongly if I didn't have those experiences myself, but I have.

I spent my life trying to find out how it was possible that I believed something that was crazy. It took me through many avenues of intellectual pursuits, none of which I have finished.
 
How does that gel with the fact that we still fail to properly define 'consciousness' and none of our experiences, thoughts, feelings etc exist outside our brain ie they exist but only as patterns of synaptic connections?

All we know so far is that 'mind is what the brain does', free will is an illusion, albeit a very powerful one, and that what we glibly describe as our 'conscious mind' is controlled by our sub-conscious mind.

I've had three of those so-called near-death experiences myself and in none of them was my mind 'free to go anyplace' at all. It was absolutely restricted to knowledge (true or false) my brain had stored previously.
 
It would be harder for me to believe this so strongly if I didn't have those experiences myself, but I have.

I spent my life trying to find out how it was possible that I believed something that was crazy. It took me through many avenues of intellectual pursuits, none of which I have finished.

I think this says it all. It's not an idea you get out of external reality,it's something you do experience, something you don't understand (crazy) but at the same time it's more real (to you) than everything else.

As for me, I haven't try to find a logical explanation...I know there's none. So I keep my wacky experiences to myself. Frankly, it doesn't matter much what you think about life or death, it won't get you very far.

restricted to knowledge (true or false) my brain had stored previously.

OK, previously...but how far back previously? I haven't lived all that my mind tells me I have and yet...it's there.

One way or the other I think it doesn't make much of a difference, my everyday life it's not going to change by what i do believe or what I do not believe. In the first place, I don't understand life so there's nothing for me to believe in anyway. 😀
 
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................One way or the other I think it doesn't make much of a difference, my everyday life it's not going to change by what i do believe or what I do not believe. In the first place, I don't understand life so there's nothing for me to believe in anyway.......... 😀

Maybe many people miss the point about " life after death...or that life doesn't really come to an end after the body dies".

If we continue to exist after we loose the body then maybe we become more responsible about our actions here on Earth ! So we cannot " get away " after doing nasty things which is what most people ( who do nasty things) appear to rely on !
Will this knowledge make them any better ? I'm not quite so sure , but it might temper the situation and not let it get as bad as it is nowadays.

Yes we needn't believe anything. Do what's best today and tomorrow takes care of itself...........somebody said that , I can't remember who. Did he mean an 'eternity' by 'tomorrow' ?

Some school and college kids do get into deep trouble though they have faculty who would take them to task and the kids are well aware of that. So knowing about an after life isn't going to make ALL people better. It would help many people get better as they know for sure that the future will get better too ....it's an added incentive! The rest wouldn't care in any case !
 
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So knowing about an after life isn't going to make ALL people better. It would help many people get better as they know for sure that the future will get better too ....it's an added incentive! The rest wouldn't care in any case !

LOL, people wouldn't get better they would get worse. If egos are as bad as they're now imagine what would be like if they thought they were immortal. 😀


Beliefs have nothing to do with human behavior, idiocy takes all the blame IMO.
 
LOL, people wouldn't get better they would get worse. If egos are as bad as they're now imagine what would be like if they thought they were immortal. 😀


Beliefs have nothing to do with human behavior, idiocy takes all the blame IMO.
There's a word for it :it's KARMA
Also in electronics we have to understand the laws that govern it ,and something is even so subtle (like an electron) that is difficult to realize in whole .
So ,the little-limited-self has to put his little ego in the back 🙄 and have to submit to some over-physical universal conscience that makes its way .uncontrolled by us . That's the DHARMA
Check those out 'cos maybe is a totally different story :Pawprint:
 
Either that, or envy of kids who were allowed to wear shorts instead of long-sleeve pants.
 

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