It's a small 3 way system, a scoop based horn for sub, a reflex for mid and a compression driver in horn, with dsp and amp system included. And it sounds very good. The whole (mono) system is yours for about 2800€, pickup in region Kortrijk.
The source of my music must be FLAC at least. I always try to find the high resolution release of any album. I play files with a Raspberry Pi > Justboom Digihat > S.M.S.L. DAC > Rotel pre amp > LJM amp > Magnat and Mission speakers
I feel you.
But maybe there's still hope yet.
I said before in this thread: for me, the major culprit is the music. It's just getting worse and worse.
There's also a social aspect, different than what you reported: in my household, I was into music of the 60's-70's, my ex-wife the 80's, my #1 son techno and #2 metal. There's only one way for all these to co-exist under the same roof: headphones. Now that the kids are adults, I'm happy to report their musical tastes have improved; they're still on earphones, but the good ones, those that defy the despicable Harman Target Response.
I'd say that today, there are IMHO two main categories of music listeners - equipement quality set apart :
1 - Those who are nomad, or mobile, with headphones, etc...
2 - Those who are not, and rely on Hi-Fi and Audiophile gear in a room.
Plus a great number of people oscillating between these two sections, of course. If I consider listening to music in my car, I'm probably one of them...
I'll take the example of my childrens : at around 30, they both belong to the 1st category, but they indeed know and recognize the virtues of their father's audio system, clearly set in the 2nd category :
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1 - Those who are nomad, or mobile, with headphones, etc...
2 - Those who are not, and rely on Hi-Fi and Audiophile gear in a room.
Plus a great number of people oscillating between these two sections, of course. If I consider listening to music in my car, I'm probably one of them...
I'll take the example of my childrens : at around 30, they both belong to the 1st category, but they indeed know and recognize the virtues of their father's audio system, clearly set in the 2nd category :
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Another thing - the ability to build things electronic has changed. With all transistors and other passive parts changing to surface mount - the ability to BREADBOARD has/is disappearing. Need specialized stuff just to solder. And the prices keep going up and up. Hard-wired switches and connectors are also vanishing. Everyone likes/has to "model" - how many actually build anything?
Speaker building is a different story - as has been pointed out.
Taking apart to fix/upgrade amps / front ends and the like will also die out - most everything built since the 90's was/is NOT built to be repaired and for the most part can't even be taken apart.
Speaker building is a different story - as has been pointed out.
Taking apart to fix/upgrade amps / front ends and the like will also die out - most everything built since the 90's was/is NOT built to be repaired and for the most part can't even be taken apart.
I find the sound of those Marantz a little bit dark... you got a 2240 in there? Is the other one a 2275?I'd say that today, there are IMHO two main categories of music listeners - equipement quality set apart :
1 - Those who are nomad, or mobile, with headphones, etc...
2 - Those who are not, and rely on Hi-Fi and Audiophile gear in a room.
Plus a great number of people oscillating between these two sections, of course. If I consider listening to music in my car, I'm probably one of them...
I'll take the example of my childrens : at around 30, they both belong to the 1st category, but they indeed know and recognize the virtues of their father's audio system, clearly set in the 2nd category :
I ended up with a 4415 that has the wired remote, SQA1 and external CD4 demodulator but then that's in the closet ( fully rebuilt of course ) and every time I turn on the 2325 the lights in the bedroom flicker ( also rebuilt, BIG power supply in that momma ). Go find a Sansui G receiver... I got a G7500 (just make sure it's got the working unobtanium "high speed" output transistors... ). Sounds, IMHO, better than the 8080/9090.
Early ARC preamp, huh? Mac? Accuphase? Is there an NAD in there? And some polycarbonate player..... no belt drive. You know, with a proper power supply and motor you will never need a strobe or pitch control. ;-)
Do the guitars get in the way?
Love that woofer.
Thanks @tonyEE ! 🙂
I have a 2015 five-knobs, but not shown, the others are a 2250B and a 2270. I'd rather say "smooth" than "dark" to my taste... 😉
Ah, the Mighty 2325... I would have been pleased to own an export one, but they are very rare and costy here, and often in poor condition... So I gave up ! 😕
Yes, you are right 😎 :
Plus :
No they don't, and those cases are very practical as a leg rest... 😆
These are DIY, based on Beyma speakers :
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I have a 2015 five-knobs, but not shown, the others are a 2250B and a 2270. I'd rather say "smooth" than "dark" to my taste... 😉
Ah, the Mighty 2325... I would have been pleased to own an export one, but they are very rare and costy here, and often in poor condition... So I gave up ! 😕
Yes, you are right 😎 :
- an Audio Research SP3A1 preamp and a D76 amp, both from 1974.
- a McIntosh C712+MC7100 "slimline" set.
- an Accuphase E-560 integrated class A, with its DAC-50 and AD-50 extension cards.
- a NAD 114 preamp.
- a Technics SL-1200G turnable (bought in April 2023).
Plus :
- a DIY SRPP Anzaï tube/phono preamp.
- some DIY tube amps (OTL and SE).
- some Yamaha and Marantz CD players.
No they don't, and those cases are very practical as a leg rest... 😆
These are DIY, based on Beyma speakers :
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"Are those all your guitars?" My favorite line in PF 'The Wall'.
The tweeter (and mid too) reminds of a JBL design, or is it actually one? First time that I ever saw one was at a kid's house when I was in Jr. high. Later owned a set of JBL 4343. Fond memories.
The tweeter (and mid too) reminds of a JBL design, or is it actually one? First time that I ever saw one was at a kid's house when I was in Jr. high. Later owned a set of JBL 4343. Fond memories.
Yes. And all Lefties ! 😱😉
The three speakers are from Beyma :
CP21/F Tweeter.
8M60N Midrange.
12B100R Woofer.
And yes, they are clearly inspired by JBL designs.
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I think DIY is a practice and Audiophile is a label. If you fix your car, design an amp, and knit some socks, it is all DIY. Creative people will always find some DIY to do and probably not consider what it means. There are many categories of DIY.
I image an Audiophile is probably not much of a DIY person. He is pleased to buy some extra-expensive gear. But soon the thrill is gone and he dreams of upgrading to something more expensive.
Is the Audiophile passion fading: I suppose it might be because housing is so expensive in many North American cities. And the quality of low cost hifi is improving and is good enough for many people.
Can a pragmatic engineer be an Audiophile?
-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audiophile (there are controversies)
-- https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/nov/29/lost-in-music-the-world-of-obsessive-audiophilia
I'm 38 and just getting into it. So I say no.
The knowledge is now far more accessible as well as sourcing components.
As long as people love music, people will love music that sounds good.
I like it to tuner cars. 20 years ago when I started tuning cars, parts were scarce. Knowledge was scarce. You had to order from Japan and couldn't even read the listing. Then hope it fits.
Now you scroll through Amazon and find aftermarket tuner parts that are verified for your vehicle. Full websites dedicated to just tuner parts for your specific car. So much easier. Sadly, tuner cars are kind of built like crap now. The real ones are at the race track though, so that's where I go.
Lots of similarities between the two hobbies life cycke
The knowledge is now far more accessible as well as sourcing components.
As long as people love music, people will love music that sounds good.
I like it to tuner cars. 20 years ago when I started tuning cars, parts were scarce. Knowledge was scarce. You had to order from Japan and couldn't even read the listing. Then hope it fits.
Now you scroll through Amazon and find aftermarket tuner parts that are verified for your vehicle. Full websites dedicated to just tuner parts for your specific car. So much easier. Sadly, tuner cars are kind of built like crap now. The real ones are at the race track though, so that's where I go.
Lots of similarities between the two hobbies life cycke
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OF COURSE!!!!
BTW, I don't consider Audiophiles are those who buy ultra-expensive gear. Many of those purchases are like a Ferrari purchase... where the car gets barely driven.
A lot of the High Cost gear is just for show. It looks nice, and if you got lots of money, you spend it on something the LOOKS good.
How does it sound? Often like crap, IMHO.
An "audiophile" IMHO is someone who loves to listen to music in a "high-fidelity" mode.
If anything is gonna kill the Audiophile hobby is the ever crazier prices, the concomittant much lower volumes and the resulting limited availability. And truth be said, there are a lot of products under 1000 bucks today that sound really good.
Anything over $10K is ridiculous, IMHO.
If you think about it.... High End audio is the only type of electronics that keeps getting much more expensive, while all other electronics keep getting cheaper. You just won't find them in the "hobby publications"...
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Hmm.... actually "tuning cars" was much more common and a lot easier before the crazy laws that were imposed in the 70s.
For example, in 1983 my '70 Datsun 510 had a Webber carb, tuned intake manifold, 2 liter head, electronic ignition, SSS distributor, SSS tach, header, big exhaust, Pirellis, Konis, competition springs, big brakes, big radiator.. .and a 2000 stereo that sounded good, didn't go BOOM! BOOM!
And some of my friends had crazy things done to their Mazdas...
Ever gone to the Japanese Classic Car Show in Long Beach?
Just reinforces my thoughts. Hobbies have ups and downs. Look at the resurgence of knitting and crochet with the younger women now.
I don't think the art is dying, I think we are on the upswing of diy audio.
And nope, I haven't been to Cali in about a decade. I live in Chicago.
If you like tuning Japanese Cars, that's the place..
https://japaneseclassiccarshow.com/
There was this one guy with a Honda N600. His license plate said "3QUATER"... for 3/4 quarter size...
My wife used to know a lot of the old Honda guys over there... they used work at American Honda.
My brother in laws both had Mazdas with rotaries... an RX7 and the other an RX2. With aftermarket MT5. Both engines had NO torque but they had nose bleed redlines ( both brother in laws were mechanics then ). Off the line it was sort of slow, but once you got on it, they went like jet engines.
But the only change we ever did to our GSR, Type SH, RSX-S, etc... were tires. Cars just got better off the factory. Then we had two OTR.... (*)
The stereo sucked in those cars though.
Then you got the Acura ELS systems.. with DVD-A.... those were fantastic. A true audiophile system.
I wanted an RLX with the Krell System. It was an actual steal. For the price of two home amps, you got a great car with SH-AWD, two front leather seats and a tuned audio system. I told my wife we could just park it in the garage as an audio room....
(*) Take OEM Integra Type R sticker, use Exacto knife, put resulting sticker under the Odyssey sign on tailgate... Add big Bridgestone sport tires, teach kids to LEAN into the turn, learn how to hold the van on the edge approaching four wheel drifts... There you go. An attitude adjustment tuning...
https://japaneseclassiccarshow.com/
There was this one guy with a Honda N600. His license plate said "3QUATER"... for 3/4 quarter size...
My wife used to know a lot of the old Honda guys over there... they used work at American Honda.
My brother in laws both had Mazdas with rotaries... an RX7 and the other an RX2. With aftermarket MT5. Both engines had NO torque but they had nose bleed redlines ( both brother in laws were mechanics then ). Off the line it was sort of slow, but once you got on it, they went like jet engines.
But the only change we ever did to our GSR, Type SH, RSX-S, etc... were tires. Cars just got better off the factory. Then we had two OTR.... (*)
The stereo sucked in those cars though.
Then you got the Acura ELS systems.. with DVD-A.... those were fantastic. A true audiophile system.
I wanted an RLX with the Krell System. It was an actual steal. For the price of two home amps, you got a great car with SH-AWD, two front leather seats and a tuned audio system. I told my wife we could just park it in the garage as an audio room....
(*) Take OEM Integra Type R sticker, use Exacto knife, put resulting sticker under the Odyssey sign on tailgate... Add big Bridgestone sport tires, teach kids to LEAN into the turn, learn how to hold the van on the edge approaching four wheel drifts... There you go. An attitude adjustment tuning...
We used to race a 2-3 am through the city. Circuit tracks through the grid planned out the day before. For decent amounts of cash.
Fast andfruious ruined all that.
Now we all go to the track. These new guys on the scene just do spinous at intersections and hit people. Kind of dumb.
I still have an RSX-S. That's my wife's winter car lol. It has a $1500 stereo system in it. She is a bass head.
My track car is a 350z hr with full aero. Faster you go, the more grip you have. I run it on semi slicks. Currently, it's still kind of street legal. I keep a full system in there too. Worth the extra 150 lbs. To have an absolute banger of a lofi system on the race track. Gotta be loud when you have a full helmet on lol.
The 02 and 03 RSX-X had a flat spot between 4K and 5K and the rear suspension was a bit too hard... it was weird. Around 04 they fixed it and lowered the gearing a little bit so it was really quick.
Life truly starts at 6rpm when the secondaries open up and the motor races to 8150 rpm ( 8400 in the ITR ). Well, the ITR always had the secondaries opened. they figured you wouldn't be tooling around the slow lane in that car.
The J30 in the 05 Accord 6MT Coupe was awesome... even as the clutch sucked. But since our other car then was the RSX-S I used to bury the tach into the redline... but it had a soft "clipping" cut off so it wasn't too bad.
ABS changed my driving habits, specially as they figured out how to do a "soft cut off".... so I started to go faster into the turn, brake way deeper and harder and let the ABS handle the braking... the soft cut off didn't upset the suspension, so you can brake pretty hard, rotate the nose and then sling shot out of the apex.
FUN.
Life truly starts at 6rpm when the secondaries open up and the motor races to 8150 rpm ( 8400 in the ITR ). Well, the ITR always had the secondaries opened. they figured you wouldn't be tooling around the slow lane in that car.
The J30 in the 05 Accord 6MT Coupe was awesome... even as the clutch sucked. But since our other car then was the RSX-S I used to bury the tach into the redline... but it had a soft "clipping" cut off so it wasn't too bad.
ABS changed my driving habits, specially as they figured out how to do a "soft cut off".... so I started to go faster into the turn, brake way deeper and harder and let the ABS handle the braking... the soft cut off didn't upset the suspension, so you can brake pretty hard, rotate the nose and then sling shot out of the apex.
FUN.
When coming back in their room most of the young dudes just need a mini horn for their best friend (Mister Smartphone).
That's funny no one made a smartphone base with an horn shape to boost the spl output ! Once I see a guy who putted him in a salad bowl for that purpose ! I found that quite inventive and Z generation finally had few neurones left between too much drinking and drugs and empty stomach.
Because also they are less rich than the boomers, they move from roof more often and have less monney for those things, imo. It is everywhere. Think of it twice : in USA, 10% of the people cousume 50% of the counntry goods ! It is not really different elswhere I believe.
That's funny no one made a smartphone base with an horn shape to boost the spl output ! Once I see a guy who putted him in a salad bowl for that purpose ! I found that quite inventive and Z generation finally had few neurones left between too much drinking and drugs and empty stomach.
Because also they are less rich than the boomers, they move from roof more often and have less monney for those things, imo. It is everywhere. Think of it twice : in USA, 10% of the people cousume 50% of the counntry goods ! It is not really different elswhere I believe.
Headphones where the start for me some 18 years ago in the beautiful city of Toulouse France.
Shure was the top tier in the headphone scene and as a student I had to scrap money for some in-ears. Then I discovered a nice small hifi shop that had some focal Utopia grand at tge time and sonus faber stradivari... damn that was out of the world money back then. Now you can find two way monitor asking for same money 🤮 this attitude kills the industry.
It does pushes more young folks into diy 😎
Shure was the top tier in the headphone scene and as a student I had to scrap money for some in-ears. Then I discovered a nice small hifi shop that had some focal Utopia grand at tge time and sonus faber stradivari... damn that was out of the world money back then. Now you can find two way monitor asking for same money 🤮 this attitude kills the industry.
It does pushes more young folks into diy 😎