Are there any N.Pass amps that use current 2023 input devices i.e not SK170/SJ74?

Yes I asked before like the OP and yes I am sure the first stone did not come from me. The question itself is indeed enough for hefty reactions and quite personal overreacting like you demonstrate.

It is becoming nasty. Probably some need an audio-Bhagwan and don’t tolerate anything even slightly resembling criticism.

So ciao! Have fun.
 
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I just ordered two back panel kits from the DIY Store (I like the binding posts for VFET amp). Then I also ordered 2SK170/2SJ74 matched octet for future builds. As I did the same with previous orders I think I have devices for many builds. So these devices are as easy to get than any current 2023 devices and we don't need that many for our builds when it can be purchased as matched devices. Just a suggestion to add these devices when you order other stuff at the DIY Store. Apart from that I purchased in local market 1000 pcs. J113 so I have some alternative devices to play with. Very low noise op-amps are also a possibility.
 
list of constructions not using obsolete JFets, just from FW Articles page :

  • 1977 A20 Amplifier
  • 1978 A40 Amplifier (also look at 2000 A40 Parts Subs)
  • 1981 Mosfet Citation 12
  • 1992 A75 Amplifier Part 1 and Part 2 (with Norman Thagard)
  • 1994 Zen Amplifier
  • 1994 Zen Amp redux
  • 1994 Bride of Zen
  • 1997 Son of Zen
  • 1997 Balanced Zen Line Stage
  • 1998 DIY Op Amps
  • 2001 Zen Variations 1
  • 2002 Zen Variations 2
  • 2002 Zen Variations 3
  • 2002 Zen Variations 4
  • 2003 Zen Variations 5
  • 2004 Zen Variations 6
  • 2004 Zen Variations 7
  • 2005 Zen Variations 8
  • 2005 PLH Amplifier
  • 2006 Zen Variations 9
  • 2010 De-Lite Amplifier
  • 2015 Zen With GA10JT12
  • 2018 H2 Generator
  • 2019 H2 Harmonic Generator - Revised
  • 2020 DIY Biamp 6-24 Crossover
  • 2021 DIY H2 Generator v2
  • 2022 DIY Front End 2022
 
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wow. Why is everyone so uptight about this reasonable, innocuous question? a little too defensive.


no one is uptight about OP question, he's simply trying to get information ....... question legitimate 158%

now, there are few members with nasty habit of constant commenting that some parts are obsolete and that publishing constructions containing those is not in DIY Spirit

I can write entire forum page with arguments why is that simply stupid, but one thing is simplest to write - someone shared own (successful) construction, and people are arguing and bashing his choice of components

whatever state (on market, availability) of parts in question is, complaining in that context (sharing, not forcing anyone to do something) is ........

do the same on Tube forum, say something to TubeLab George or any other decade long contributor :rofl:
 
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list of constructions not using obsolete JFets, just from FW Articles page :

  • 1977 A20 Amplifier
  • 1978 A40 Amplifier (also look at 2000 A40 Parts Subs)
  • 1981 Mosfet Citation 12
  • 1992 A75 Amplifier Part 1 and Part 2 (with Norman Thagard)
  • 1994 Zen Amplifier
  • 1994 Zen Amp redux
  • 1994 Bride of Zen
  • 1997 Son of Zen
  • 1997 Balanced Zen Line Stage
  • 1998 DIY Op Amps
  • 2001 Zen Variations 1
  • 2002 Zen Variations 2
  • 2002 Zen Variations 3
  • 2002 Zen Variations 4
  • 2003 Zen Variations 5
  • 2004 Zen Variations 6
  • 2004 Zen Variations 7
  • 2005 Zen Variations 8
  • 2005 PLH Amplifier
  • 2006 Zen Variations 9
  • 2010 De-Lite Amplifier
  • 2015 Zen With GA10JT12
  • 2018 H2 Generator
  • 2019 H2 Harmonic Generator - Revised
  • 2020 DIY Biamp 6-24 Crossover
  • 2021 DIY H2 Generator v2
  • 2022 DIY Front End 2022
Adding F2 and F1 to that list, and F3 if I remember the circuit correctly.
 
Besides the point and only as info, lsj74 and lsk170 are currently available at Digikey. However the price for ready matched sets in the diyastore appears like bargain.
Thanks nicoch, very useful and all credit to Mark. I will take a look. At first glance the M2 Tucson with op-amp input looks interesting. The IRFP devices are available too.

I'm open minded about what to put in my spare enclosure. At the moment it could be a MoFo.

I have 16x Exicon 8N16 devices looking for a design I could use them in. Can't find a datasheet, but I'll provisionally treat them like 10N20s.
One possibility might be to bolt a 2022 Front End onto an M2 output stage. It looks like with standoffs the FE board from the store should bolt onto Tea Bag’s M2 board right where the transformer goes.
 
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The following design approach seems to have been relatively successful at eliminating Toshiba JFETs:

... many people would love to build a DIY version of the First Watt "M2" amplifier -- except that the M2 requires JFETs which are painfully difficult to source. Toshiba has stopped making them, and the Linear Systems replacements are sometimes hard to find too ...

HOWEVER, we noticed that the JFETs were used only in the "input stage" of the M2 amplifier, to implement a unity gain buffer that drives the primary of an auto-transformer. The remainder of the M2 amplifier uses components that are in active production, available from multiple different distributors, today.

[... therefore ...] lay out a new PCB for the First Watt M2 amplifier, with the input stage and its Unobtanium JFETs contained on a removable, replaceable, interchangeable Daughter Card. Now we can build input stage (unity gain buffer) daughter cards, with whatever components we wish. Of course one option would be (should be!) Nelson Pass's original design using Toshiba JFETs, for those who are willing and able to obtain them. And there will be other options too. Options that implement a unity gain buffer without Unobtanium parts. Fortunately it is not an impossible task to design a unity gain buffer which fits on a small daughter card.

[...] let's make it possible for people to build and listen to an M2 amplifier, at the same time they search the globe for JFETs. Months later, if and when they succeed in finding and purchasing JFETs, they can stuff and solder the JFETs onto a daughter card, swap it in, and keep listening. Or maybe, just maybe, they'll fall in love with the sound of the M2 without JFETs, and quietly stop searching.

OBTW, the M2x circuit boards fit the diyAudio Store's "Universal Mounting Specification" (link) , so you could eyeball the photos of the M2x PCBs and estimate their approximate size by referring to the mounting bolt X- and Y- spacings in the UMS spec. The board overhangs the bolt holes by an eyeball estimated little bit. Cartoon below.

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Interesting question Andy and interesting discussion.
Agreed. 👍

Real men fight.
Against who?
Please note that if your statement were true, and I don't know, then IMHO fighting presumes the existence of an enemy, but an enemy can have many faces and there are also invisible enemies that strike you without exposing themselves.
So before to "fight" you should first understand if there is an enemy and then being possibly able to recognize him. 😉

Back to the topic, my humble opinion is the following: in Italy (I believe elsewhere too) there is a legal concept recognized in the face of the law called "diligence of the good father of a family" that is self-explaining.

Well, if I wanted to build a DIY motorcycle today then in the name of diligence of the good father of a family I would look for spare parts of current availability and I believe it would be illogical to do the opposite.

Unless there were obvious advantages in doing the opposite: are there?
 
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