I don't think that I have been at all condemnatory, but just critical, and this is surely central to this endeavour.
thank you, what a nice setup!
it seems to me it could be flawed, not per se but since you have your doubts, i guess this will not go lesser in the future either.
your speakers looks rather big and the near corner placement look less then optimum, what happens if you put them far out in the room?
I know that they will sound better out into the room, (they have a rear firing woofer which works below 60Hz), but I cannot do that because of the inevitable interference with other aspects of living, and they do sound better if I move closer into the near field.
In a brief review John Atkinson praised them for upper mid and top, and I assume this is an indirect inferred criticism of the lower mid, which is where my difficulties lie.
I think AllenB's point, though he refers to peaks, about where the spectral energy is in a given song may be valid.
In a brief review John Atkinson praised them for upper mid and top, and I assume this is an indirect inferred criticism of the lower mid, which is where my difficulties lie.
I think AllenB's point, though he refers to peaks, about where the spectral energy is in a given song may be valid.
Hello Pharos
The speakers I use I can clearly hear differences between songs and even within them. That doesn't sound unusual to me. If in doubt headphones or another speaker pair in another room.
Rob🙂
1) 60Hz is well into the modal region.
2) Upper mid and top don't need large enclosures.
3) Lower mid might do better with cardioid due to physical size of wavelengths.
I haven't come out in favor of narrow baffles in this thread but I will say they have advantages with regard to your speaker and your findings.
1) Separate the modal system from the ray acoustic system, i.e. use multi-subs not a rear firing low frequency woofer.
2) Narrow baffles (small enclosure) on upper mid and top make a speaker easier to move out into the room.
3) Lower mid is a confusing region. It's not uncommon for low-mid frequency response measurements to be depreciated by experts like Floyd Toole because that's where we get into the sparse-modal region where we transition between modal and ray acoustic. You can use different strategies to deal with it like equalization or designs to create a cardioid pattern to reduce boundary problems.
For all of these reasons I'd come out in favor of narrow baffles and speakers you can more easily position in the room (e.g. cardioid low-mid or equalization.)
Of course with what I have I cannot really attempt to alter them. They do however have pretty-well the narrowest baffles they can, but I cannot separate the woofers from the upper separate boxes containing mids and tweeters.
I actually subjectively prefer the results of my own design costing 1/20th as much, though their deficiencies are apparent; coloration and looser bass.
I actually subjectively prefer the results of my own design costing 1/20th as much, though their deficiencies are apparent; coloration and looser bass.
