Anyone tried this? Looks like the solution for mating to one of the small new 1920 x 1200 WUXGA screens:
http://www.winmate.com.tw/ipc/2G2A110.htm
http://www.winmate.com.tw/ipc/2G2A110.htm
Great find A/V Hoser,
This could be the controller that we have all been waiting for if it is not too expensive.
Hezz
This could be the controller that we have all been waiting for if it is not too expensive.
Hezz
hmm! would be great for a 1080p/i native hdtv projector... it even has a video scaler/deinterlacer, so you can use it without one of those tv to vga converters...
I'm posting the specs and model number for that controller here in case the link get's broken in the future or some can't access it.
The Winmate G2A 110 interface controller for OEM monitor and packaged flat panel display solutions.
Panels: 1920x1200,1600x1200,1280x1024,1024x768,800x600,640x480 TFT color LCD & other
Input: Analog VGA, Video(PAL,NTSC), DVI-D,D-Sub,VGA& other
The G2A is a dual channel graphics and video processing A/D board for Liquid
Crystal Display (LCD) monitors incorporating Picture in Picture, up to WUXGA
output resolutions. The G2A provides all key A/D board functions required for
image capture, processing and display timing control. Functions include a
high-speed triple-ADC and PLL, DVI receiver, high quality zoom and shrink scaling
engines, Motion Adaptive De-Interlacing (MADI), Low Angle Diagonal Interpolation
(LADI), an exquisite on-screen display (OSD), a 100MHz on-chip X186
micro-controller, and a dual channel LVDS transmitter for interface to displays.
With all these functions integrated onto a single board, the G2A reduces the cost of
high-end multimedia LCD monitors while maintaining a high degree of flexibility
and quality.
Features
. Zoom and shrinking scaling
. High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP)
. Programmable gamma correction (CLUT)
. Real Color controls provides RGB compliance
. PWM back light intensity control
. Low EMI and power saving features
. Infrared inputs supporting various remote controls
. 32-bit frame store DDR memory for high-speed image capture and processing
. Horizontal and Vertical flip of display image
. Picture in Picture, Graphics on Video, Video on Graphics, split screen
. High-Quality Video Processing
. High-performance adaptive 4H comb filter for video processing
. Motion Adaptive De-Interlacing (MADI) on a per-pixel basis
. Motion Adaptive Noise Reduction
. Inverse 3:2/2:2 pull down for Film Mode detection
. Low Angle Diagonal Interpolation (LADI)
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The Winmate G2A 110 interface controller for OEM monitor and packaged flat panel display solutions.
Panels: 1920x1200,1600x1200,1280x1024,1024x768,800x600,640x480 TFT color LCD & other
Input: Analog VGA, Video(PAL,NTSC), DVI-D,D-Sub,VGA& other
The G2A is a dual channel graphics and video processing A/D board for Liquid
Crystal Display (LCD) monitors incorporating Picture in Picture, up to WUXGA
output resolutions. The G2A provides all key A/D board functions required for
image capture, processing and display timing control. Functions include a
high-speed triple-ADC and PLL, DVI receiver, high quality zoom and shrink scaling
engines, Motion Adaptive De-Interlacing (MADI), Low Angle Diagonal Interpolation
(LADI), an exquisite on-screen display (OSD), a 100MHz on-chip X186
micro-controller, and a dual channel LVDS transmitter for interface to displays.
With all these functions integrated onto a single board, the G2A reduces the cost of
high-end multimedia LCD monitors while maintaining a high degree of flexibility
and quality.
Features
. Zoom and shrinking scaling
. High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP)
. Programmable gamma correction (CLUT)
. Real Color controls provides RGB compliance
. PWM back light intensity control
. Low EMI and power saving features
. Infrared inputs supporting various remote controls
. 32-bit frame store DDR memory for high-speed image capture and processing
. Horizontal and Vertical flip of display image
. Picture in Picture, Graphics on Video, Video on Graphics, split screen
. High-Quality Video Processing
. High-performance adaptive 4H comb filter for video processing
. Motion Adaptive De-Interlacing (MADI) on a per-pixel basis
. Motion Adaptive Noise Reduction
. Inverse 3:2/2:2 pull down for Film Mode detection
. Low Angle Diagonal Interpolation (LADI)
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Not sure if anyone sent them an email yet but I just did asking them if it will work with this: Sharp LQ154M1LW02 Wuxga 15.4"
I also let them know that I am a consumer not a reseller hopefully they wont feed us the same **** as other manufacturers.
Found this on the main page:
In 2004, Winmate develops into a leading OEM/ODM provider.
Is this bad news?
I also let them know that I am a consumer not a reseller hopefully they wont feed us the same **** as other manufacturers.
Found this on the main page:
In 2004, Winmate develops into a leading OEM/ODM provider.
Is this bad news?
Here is a reply quote I got:
thanks for your inquiry
1. G2A board is just for LCD scaler controller board, not the CPU board.
2. G2A board can work with 15.4" WUXGA panel,
but we don't this panel bios
if you like our G2a board to work with 15.4" panel , you do need to send you panel to us, we can make the bios for you
for the bios debug, we do request mini, QTY by 50pcs,
3. our G2A board kit is uS$250 per unit
bset regards
ken
End quoteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
So what do you guys think? I like the price. You guys think we can find someone else to set the bios for us?
You guys think we can get 50 orders filled?
thanks for your inquiry
1. G2A board is just for LCD scaler controller board, not the CPU board.
2. G2A board can work with 15.4" WUXGA panel,
but we don't this panel bios
if you like our G2a board to work with 15.4" panel , you do need to send you panel to us, we can make the bios for you
for the bios debug, we do request mini, QTY by 50pcs,
3. our G2A board kit is uS$250 per unit
bset regards
ken
End quoteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
So what do you guys think? I like the price. You guys think we can find someone else to set the bios for us?
You guys think we can get 50 orders filled?
I am confused about how to use this board though.
Do you hook it up to your pc motherboard or what? If so with what interface?
Do you hook it up to your pc motherboard or what? If so with what interface?
This looks to good to be true! I want in!!! You can use this board with or without a pc. In your reply they state "A KIT" i'm assuming this is the required LVDS cable and menu interface buttons??
MORE QUOTE:
yes, we do have some misunderstand each other
1. Do you have any 15' WUXGA panel inventory, , if yes, you buy our A/D kit to make the monitor to work with pC system
2. or you do like to buy completed montior solution by 15" WUXGA , this is you buy monitor from us, not just buy the board
above two optional ,determine what business type , we can do
2. if you do buy the G2A kit, our G2A board will work with LCD panel module by LVDS
3. actually i do'nt have any Sharp LQ154M1LW02 cost?
END QUOTE END QUOTE END QUOTE END QUOTE
yes, we do have some misunderstand each other
1. Do you have any 15' WUXGA panel inventory, , if yes, you buy our A/D kit to make the monitor to work with pC system
2. or you do like to buy completed montior solution by 15" WUXGA , this is you buy monitor from us, not just buy the board
above two optional ,determine what business type , we can do
2. if you do buy the G2A kit, our G2A board will work with LCD panel module by LVDS
3. actually i do'nt have any Sharp LQ154M1LW02 cost?
END QUOTE END QUOTE END QUOTE END QUOTE
Dracul,
This controller can be used with or without a computer as it is intended to be a universal solution. You can drive it with DVI or VGA or composite or s-video.
One of the connectors on the controller board should be an interface for an invertor to run the backlight but this will not be needed for DIY projector applications. Some of the better wall wart power supplies may be good enough for the power supply as long as it has sufficient regulation.
One thing about this A/D board that is not explained fully is how the OS is implimented. Can it be run though software on the computer or does it have it's own hard wired interface. Or are either of these things an option.
If a large enough group buy was orgainized we could have them set up the bios to work with as many wide screen panels as can possibly be run with this controller. This gives more options for finding a LCD panel deal.
I Also sent an e-mail to them and got back a very promt reply from Ken. He also said the single sample price is 300 USD but this does not include the bios tune.
Hezz
This controller can be used with or without a computer as it is intended to be a universal solution. You can drive it with DVI or VGA or composite or s-video.
One of the connectors on the controller board should be an interface for an invertor to run the backlight but this will not be needed for DIY projector applications. Some of the better wall wart power supplies may be good enough for the power supply as long as it has sufficient regulation.
One thing about this A/D board that is not explained fully is how the OS is implimented. Can it be run though software on the computer or does it have it's own hard wired interface. Or are either of these things an option.
If a large enough group buy was orgainized we could have them set up the bios to work with as many wide screen panels as can possibly be run with this controller. This gives more options for finding a LCD panel deal.
I Also sent an e-mail to them and got back a very promt reply from Ken. He also said the single sample price is 300 USD but this does not include the bios tune.
Hezz
Guys,
This is the message I got from Ken at Winmate. I'm posting it because it may contain a bit of extra information.
hello Paul
thanks for your inquiry
our G2A A/D board do support max 1920x1200
the sample is uS$300
10~50 by us$270
50~100 by us$250
100 more by US$240 or less
you will give you the A/D board, and OSd board, and OSd cable
we do successeful work with AUO 37",32, 30, 22.
if you don't need to work other brand panel, need to check with our bios team to tune the bios first
we do request the mini order by 50 pcs for new bios tune
best regards
ken/Winmate Communication iNC
From this message it looks like the operating system daughter card comes with the sample board. I wonder if this is a completely working control mechanism or if it needs to be programmed.
Hezz
This is the message I got from Ken at Winmate. I'm posting it because it may contain a bit of extra information.
hello Paul
thanks for your inquiry
our G2A A/D board do support max 1920x1200
the sample is uS$300
10~50 by us$270
50~100 by us$250
100 more by US$240 or less
you will give you the A/D board, and OSd board, and OSd cable
we do successeful work with AUO 37",32, 30, 22.
if you don't need to work other brand panel, need to check with our bios team to tune the bios first
we do request the mini order by 50 pcs for new bios tune
best regards
ken/Winmate Communication iNC
From this message it looks like the operating system daughter card comes with the sample board. I wonder if this is a completely working control mechanism or if it needs to be programmed.
Hezz
I would be willing to pop for one. I have a 15" Samsung LQ150U1LH22 UXGA panel. The pdf file states that the board does support Samsung TFT panels. Hopefully this means that the panel is supported in the bios already.
Now all I need is some answers to the optical questions I posted in that sub-fora. 😉
xxiv
Now all I need is some answers to the optical questions I posted in that sub-fora. 😉
xxiv
Y'all can count me in for one of the 50 pcs. I suppose we ought to start narrowing down which WUXGA panels to shoot for.
What about this 256k color problem for the screens? I ask the following.
Compared to a sgi 1600sw uxga projector that is true 24bit is this wuxga projector going to be better?
I mean if we sat an audience down in a theater having the sgi projector on the left and the new wuxga 18 bit projector on the right will the majority be split on which is better or will most say the following:
Well, wuxga looks smother but the colors on the sgi is better.
Therefore, we can conclude that neither is better.
sgi 1600sw rez=1,638400 pixels
wuxga in 16:9= 2,280000 pixels 29% more pixels
Also with 15.4 " wuxga perhaps we can use the 6 element copy lens from diy builder group but we are stuck with a triplet for the sgi 1600sw.
Compared to a sgi 1600sw uxga projector that is true 24bit is this wuxga projector going to be better?
I mean if we sat an audience down in a theater having the sgi projector on the left and the new wuxga 18 bit projector on the right will the majority be split on which is better or will most say the following:
Well, wuxga looks smother but the colors on the sgi is better.
Therefore, we can conclude that neither is better.
sgi 1600sw rez=1,638400 pixels
wuxga in 16:9= 2,280000 pixels 29% more pixels
Also with 15.4 " wuxga perhaps we can use the 6 element copy lens from diy builder group but we are stuck with a triplet for the sgi 1600sw.
Also:
The SGi 1600sw display complete is $500 us new.
Sharp LQ154M1LW02 $520 + g2a controller $250 = $770 us new
The SGi 1600sw display complete is $500 us new.
Sharp LQ154M1LW02 $520 + g2a controller $250 = $770 us new
After hearing some educated theory on the 262k colored LCD's I believe that they going to be all that we will ever get. There is also some reason to believe that they will be better.
IF you took a 262k picture and a 24 bit copy of the same photgraph and put them side by side you would not see a large difference. Now 24 bit LCD's consume too much power and have slower response times than can be had with the 262k panels. For this reason we are not likely to see many 24 bit LCD's made in the future for the high res notebook screens and it doesn't make much sense to make HDTV high resolution LCD panels in small sizes for LCD tv's so the 24 bit screens are likely to be in larger 20 - 33 inch sizes.
Now what the 262k LCd panels do to simulate 24 bit is they choose the next closest color that they have for the exact pixel color and they alternate it with the next closest higher color value on the next screen refresh. It is your brain that combines the too colors to be percieved as the real colors.
For both games and movies it is desirable to have the higher response times that these panels will have.
Next is resolution. The SGI sw1600 has about 110 dots per inch of resolution. The new 15 inch 16:9 WUXGA panels will have nearly 200 dots per inch. The screen door will be much less and the best of the panels should be better looking the the SW1600.
It may cost a little more than a SW1600 solution but when you consider than you have to get a Dr. Bott adapter for 250 USD and then try to find a used sw1600 for 250 - 350 USD we are talking close to the same price. Plus with the right high definition controller will be more flexible.
Some are finding WUXGA panels on ebay for 200 USD. And they are likely to come down in price and become more easily available. The sw1600 is still a good option but it is good to know that there are now other choices which may be even better.
Hezz
IF you took a 262k picture and a 24 bit copy of the same photgraph and put them side by side you would not see a large difference. Now 24 bit LCD's consume too much power and have slower response times than can be had with the 262k panels. For this reason we are not likely to see many 24 bit LCD's made in the future for the high res notebook screens and it doesn't make much sense to make HDTV high resolution LCD panels in small sizes for LCD tv's so the 24 bit screens are likely to be in larger 20 - 33 inch sizes.
Now what the 262k LCd panels do to simulate 24 bit is they choose the next closest color that they have for the exact pixel color and they alternate it with the next closest higher color value on the next screen refresh. It is your brain that combines the too colors to be percieved as the real colors.
For both games and movies it is desirable to have the higher response times that these panels will have.
Next is resolution. The SGI sw1600 has about 110 dots per inch of resolution. The new 15 inch 16:9 WUXGA panels will have nearly 200 dots per inch. The screen door will be much less and the best of the panels should be better looking the the SW1600.
It may cost a little more than a SW1600 solution but when you consider than you have to get a Dr. Bott adapter for 250 USD and then try to find a used sw1600 for 250 - 350 USD we are talking close to the same price. Plus with the right high definition controller will be more flexible.
Some are finding WUXGA panels on ebay for 200 USD. And they are likely to come down in price and become more easily available. The sw1600 is still a good option but it is good to know that there are now other choices which may be even better.
Hezz
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