Just want to say my ears agree; I have tw29bn & mw16tx in an Ara (well Satorique 1) -clone with slot ports. Just yesterday I experimented with dsp to see if I could improve them (subjectively) by raising the top end a bit - and failed. The tweeter is just lovely as is. These 2 drivers both convey amazing spatial info.
I know this is an older thread. I just found it. I have made these Textreme Sasandu speakers with the Textreme tweeter also. They are the best speakers I have ever heard. Even those at Axpona 2022 and 2019 I believe. I am going to post a picture. The tweeters are the star of the show in my opinion. I have had two of my audiophile buddy's over and both were in amazement of the sound. I heard a lot of WOW 😲. One owns Aerial 7t's the other owns the Raal tweeter bookshelves with dual Rythmik subs. Can't remember the name. Everytime I hear these speakers I am so happy with how they turned out.
They are active crossover speakers. They have VH Audio OCC internal wiring. All WBT binding posts. I am driving them with 6 Cherry inline Maraschino amps. Well two are desktop Maraschino amps. They are all King versions.
Before you ask I haven't had time to take them outside for good measurements. But they are tuned to taste. Funny how both the bass and mids are flat. Tweeter is set 2db down. This gives a nice treble roll-off in my room. This was tested with rew.
They are active crossover speakers. They have VH Audio OCC internal wiring. All WBT binding posts. I am driving them with 6 Cherry inline Maraschino amps. Well two are desktop Maraschino amps. They are all King versions.
Before you ask I haven't had time to take them outside for good measurements. But they are tuned to taste. Funny how both the bass and mids are flat. Tweeter is set 2db down. This gives a nice treble roll-off in my room. This was tested with rew.
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Thank you for posting this they look good.
But I have some questions. it seems you have used the Sasandu selected drivers (except the BE tweeter) in a smaller cabinet and then used other drivers (Textreme?) in a Sasandu cabinet? …..can you explain the differences between the 2 speakers sets.
have you tried the original Sasandu design from Sbacoustics and with the passive crossover before going into active?
I see Subwoofers , are they needed?
thanks
Fab
But I have some questions. it seems you have used the Sasandu selected drivers (except the BE tweeter) in a smaller cabinet and then used other drivers (Textreme?) in a Sasandu cabinet? …..can you explain the differences between the 2 speakers sets.
have you tried the original Sasandu design from Sbacoustics and with the passive crossover before going into active?
I see Subwoofers , are they needed?
thanks
Fab
Ok those are two completely different speakers. The others are Aerial 6t's. No need for a sub at all with the Sasandu Textreme. No passive crossovers for comparison. I chose the Textreme tweeter because of how the sound was explained to me. I have not been a huge fan of beryllium tweeters. I like the detail but they have a weird not natural sound to me. I owned both the Revel F228 and F226be and the Paradigm Persona 3f speakers. All in this room. I liked the Aerial's better than all of the beryllium speakers. The explanation I got from people that had heard the beryllium SB Acoustics and the Textreme tweeter said they had all the detail of the beryllium but slightly smoother. So I wanted to see. And to me they are by far the best tweeter I have heard. I just love them. They are weird as they sound so fast and detailed. But they sound so smooth and natural. I mean really good. My buddy came over and I put on some music. First words out of his mouth were wow listen to the high- hat cymbal. He started hitting his air high hat lol. He isn't even an audiophile. But said these speakers sounded so good.
My other two buddy's are into audio and video. They both said they are incredible also. I really haven't heard anything like them that's for sure. So much detail. But so real. They are so unforgiving of bad recordings. It's so weird if the music is recorded hot. Or oversaturated. They will sound like the worst speakers you ever heard. But if you feed them decent to excellent quality music you are in for such a treat. The better the recording. The bigger rewards.
I really wish everyone could hear them. At least everyone that cares about music. I really can't think of any speaker I heard at Axpona that sounds like them. I can think of speakers that can come real close in one area or another. But nothing that can do what they do good in so many areas. Great deep bass. Down to 30hz. Amazing smooth and detailed female vocals. Awesome highs that I have explained before. Great depth of image. Great height of image. They totally disappear. No cabinet resonance that I can hear. I just don't know where they could be topped by anything. Sure they won't match some of the very very high dollar speakers for shear massiveness. And pure room filling sound. But they can play extremely extremely loud. Even without the subs. And they can take some serious power and loudness without blowing up. Three times my Anthem went to +10 and it didn't do anything to the speakers. Glitch in Anthem firmware. I don't know how it is possible but they sound just as new. Scared the crap out of me and my 1 year old grandson though. The third time I couldn't find the remote so it was on at +10 for a good 10 seconds.
So if you don't like beryllium tweeters you will most likely love these. Also, if you like beryllium tweeters you will still probably like these. Someone said that they sound like them expensive diamond tweeters. They do sound a little like the Diamond tweeters in the B&W's. I haven't heard the Seas diamond tweeters but if they sound like these I know I would love them.
Are these pictures blurry when you folks are seeing them? They are really bad on my end. Nothing like the real photos.
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Ok if I understand correctly, there is a Textreme drivers version of the Sasandu original design (and it seems much more expensive than using original drivers). However, from one web site, the Textreme version still use the BE tweeter as seems to show your picture….
»….- Advanced High-End SATORI drivers - beryllium dome and Textreme woofers… »
Fab
»….- Advanced High-End SATORI drivers - beryllium dome and Textreme woofers… »
Fab
You are correct about the Beryllium tweeter used in the more expensive Sasandu. I didn't go by the kit. Infact I made mine first. I even communicated with the makers of the original Sasandu and told them what I was going to try. He wished me luck. The cabinets were bought from Madisound separate of the drivers. I took a chance with that midrange and it payed off in spades. I originally wanted to build a Rockport clone. And use the smaller midrange. I still don't know why they don't try a Textreme tweeter version. Some people love the Beryllium tweeter so that is probably why. But mine uses the Textreme tweeter's. They are as beautiful as they sound.
Like I said before I wish you all could hear them. I am sure you would be very impressed. I took a chance and I am so glad I did. I like a smooth sound. Kind of layed back tone normally. Normally if the speakers have great detail I find them harsh even when they are multithousand dollar speakers. But with these they are greatly detailed but very smooth sounding. It's kind of an oxymoron I guess.
Seems like our wish is granted, Sasandu Texteme edition is now available!
https://sbacoustics.com/product/sasandu-tx/
https://sbacoustics.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/SASANDU-TX-Crossover-Schematic.pdf
https://sbacoustics.com/product/sasandu-tx/
https://sbacoustics.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/SASANDU-TX-Crossover-Schematic.pdf
Solen in Montréal has two pairs of High Gloss Black Sasandu cabinets in stock, but they are out of stock on regular Black, and White. Of course, they also sell the kits minus cabinets.
https://solen.ca/en/products/sba-scoustics-satori-sansandu-bhg-black-high-gloss-cabinet-pair
Best of luck,
john
Fab,
Have you seen this review?
http://notanotherhifiblog.blogspot.com/2022/08/sb-acoustics-sasandu-beauty-with-sweet.html
Have you seen this review?
http://notanotherhifiblog.blogspot.com/2022/08/sb-acoustics-sasandu-beauty-with-sweet.html
Greg
thanks for the link. 👍
The reviewer says it is good in general but does not seem very impressed by the bass….🤔
The basic Sasandu is more on my max price range than the Textreme version. I wish I could hear either the original Sasandu or Textreme…🙄
Fab
thanks for the link. 👍
The reviewer says it is good in general but does not seem very impressed by the bass….🤔
The basic Sasandu is more on my max price range than the Textreme version. I wish I could hear either the original Sasandu or Textreme…🙄
Fab
Hey guys,
Apologies if this is a bit too off topic but looking at the Sasandu schematic made me wonder. I'm relatively new to DIY so please forgive the ignorance.
Anyway, the Sasandu has 24 components per crossover and it's using SB's top of the line drivers. The 2-Way Ara TX has 18 components. Many other speakers from well known designers, using the more mid-level SB17's (for instance), often have 4 or 5 components per crossover, give or take. I've noticed the same for Scanspeak Discovery vs Revelator-based systems.
This might be too simplistic a view but, generally speaking, I would assume the better/high end driver would require less crossover components, especially when matching with drivers of the same line...Satori+Satori, etc, but this often seems to be the opposite. Any reason why or just designer's preference?
Apologies if this is a bit too off topic but looking at the Sasandu schematic made me wonder. I'm relatively new to DIY so please forgive the ignorance.
Anyway, the Sasandu has 24 components per crossover and it's using SB's top of the line drivers. The 2-Way Ara TX has 18 components. Many other speakers from well known designers, using the more mid-level SB17's (for instance), often have 4 or 5 components per crossover, give or take. I've noticed the same for Scanspeak Discovery vs Revelator-based systems.
This might be too simplistic a view but, generally speaking, I would assume the better/high end driver would require less crossover components, especially when matching with drivers of the same line...Satori+Satori, etc, but this often seems to be the opposite. Any reason why or just designer's preference?
11 of the passive parts are impedance related shaping circuits, which may or may not be necessary. Sure, it could have been made simpler, but you already know why that is. Perhaps it was a marketing driven decision, for some believe superior sounding device ought to have more of everything.
As I understood, much more care was given to the Sasandu crossover design. Maybe that is why it has a pretty amazingly flat impedance
Here's some adhoc measurements of the Sasandu in the new showroom in Kuala Lumpur
No dip in the 100-300hz like in the manual 🙂
Hi. An audiophile who read my Sasandu Tx "Finales" review on The Tracking Angle:
https://trackingangle.com/equipment/sb-acoustics-x-solen-sasandu-tx-loudspeaker
arranged with Solen for them to sell him the review pair of loudspeakers.
He emailed me with his impressions, and then some time later he followed up with this:
# # #
FWIW & YMMV. Also, I did not quiz him on exactly how his original assessment was no longer entirely valid. Here's a condensed version of that:
He is considering replacing his tube power amp with some version of VTV's Purifi-based amplifier.
I hope this helps.
john
https://trackingangle.com/equipment/sb-acoustics-x-solen-sasandu-tx-loudspeaker
arranged with Solen for them to sell him the review pair of loudspeakers.
He emailed me with his impressions, and then some time later he followed up with this:
# # #
FWIW & YMMV. Also, I did not quiz him on exactly how his original assessment was no longer entirely valid. Here's a condensed version of that:
He is considering replacing his tube power amp with some version of VTV's Purifi-based amplifier.
I hope this helps.
john
Ok guys after owning these speakers with a couple different amps now I can honestly say they remind me of the Borreson speakers a lot. Not the new x series which I haven't heard. But the sound signature with my new amps, Orchard Audio Ultra gan modules is simply stunning. And whomever said they are light in bass is dead wrong. My two audio friends have come over a few times to hear them. And they both can't believe the bass. They are amazing in my smallish theater room. 12'by21'by8' room. The rest of the sound is like ai said Borreson or Rockport speakers are the closest I can think of sound wise. Very smooth but very detailed also.
Hey guys, new to the forum but wanted to share that I recently completed the Sasandu TX build. I generally kept to the plans but made the front baffle twice as thick, added wool felt to the internal damping strategy, and included 1-inch thick solid cherry side panels. My speakers up until this build are modified Troels Gravesen Accapella Seas (open baffle midrange) and it's been a joy to compare the two. The Sasandu's are more resolving in the upper mids and treble. They are also better at imaging. The Accapella's have a wider soundstage, are a little further back in presentation, and as a dipole generally fill the room better. Bass is solid for both but a bit different. The Accapella's are a bit more punchy and the Sasandu seem a bit more accurate in tone to my ears. I suspect that if the Sasandu's were placed closer to a front wall, the in-room bass response would increase. My setup basically has them in the center of a room with a solid partition in between. The bass woofers don't appear to move at all in the Sasandu, even at loud volumes. It's amazing how fast those drivers are.
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Great work.
You wrote:
"It's amazing how fast those drivers are."
I calculated the SBA MW19TX-8 TPCD woofers' "Agility Factor" at 75.76, which is the second-highest such metric I have ever worked out. (Agility Factor is a “unit-less quantity” or metric.)
If AF does not ring a bell, here's that article:
https://positive-feedback.com/audio...proposed-additions-to-the-thiele-small-canon/
all my best,
john
You wrote:
"It's amazing how fast those drivers are."
I calculated the SBA MW19TX-8 TPCD woofers' "Agility Factor" at 75.76, which is the second-highest such metric I have ever worked out. (Agility Factor is a “unit-less quantity” or metric.)
If AF does not ring a bell, here's that article:
https://positive-feedback.com/audio...proposed-additions-to-the-thiele-small-canon/
all my best,
john