No, irrespective of the source material there is no useful way of using a video source to evaluate a speaker in someone else's room that you have no experience of, and when you have no idea of the quality of the recorded material, or what some service like screwtube will do to it.
Yes, that's a fact, it's physically impossible to know what's going on in the playback room, but having a good neutral headphone you can clearly know that it's a pleasant speaker, because with all the obstacle imposed by the video where the what you're really listening to is your equipment and not the video's, if it still sounds good the chances of it being a good box are high.
If I'm wrong, we couldn't hear a singer in a video and say her voice is sweet, we don't know the singer's real voice, but we know she's in tune.
Editado:
No video, however produced, with the right microphones will convince an audiophile that a sony muteki box sounds good, even if he is blindfolded he will realize the stark difference between a Triangle
I had the opportunity to work with some Satori drivers not long ago, and the results were very impressive.
I am inclined to think that anyone using their drivers has an excellent opportunity to create great speakers.
You hear me Satori? Send more drivers...
🙂
I am inclined to think that anyone using their drivers has an excellent opportunity to create great speakers.
You hear me Satori? Send more drivers...
🙂
its SB Acoustics actually, but i get what you mean your highness... haha
btw you can download the manual here
https://sbacoustics.co.id/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Sasandu-User-Manual.pdf
https://sbacoustics.co.id/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Sasandu-User-Manual.pdf
judging by Freq response, the treble seems lack of energy a bit and seeing the impedance, it might be suitable for solid state amps, as it drops below 4ohm from the graph (i may be wrong though)
Hi fishball79
thank you for chiming in here. You are the first one I know who has these speaker.🙂
Since I am considering to buy one kit, I would like to know first if you are generally happy with the sound of the Sasandu and can recommended this kit to others. More precisely, what are your observations and with what type of audio gear you have (solid state, tube amp, low or high power,…). can they handle lot of powers while still sounding fine….Is the tonal balance natural ( low, med and high frequency with the proper level). Dynamic, flat, firm bass, thin sound, overbright…… How does it compare to other speakers you have had the chance to listen to….
any comment is welcome
Fab
thank you for chiming in here. You are the first one I know who has these speaker.🙂
Since I am considering to buy one kit, I would like to know first if you are generally happy with the sound of the Sasandu and can recommended this kit to others. More precisely, what are your observations and with what type of audio gear you have (solid state, tube amp, low or high power,…). can they handle lot of powers while still sounding fine….Is the tonal balance natural ( low, med and high frequency with the proper level). Dynamic, flat, firm bass, thin sound, overbright…… How does it compare to other speakers you have had the chance to listen to….
any comment is welcome
Fab
I'm actually the SG & MY distributor for SB so i've PM-ed fab my opinions.
Personally I didnt take up the distributorship for profit and also I can't ship Sasandu to outside of my region due to their very large sizes so I see no conflict of interest but await permission before posting. Plus as @fab can see, my views about Ara/Rinjani/Sasadu aren't exactly perfect.
Personally I didnt take up the distributorship for profit and also I can't ship Sasandu to outside of my region due to their very large sizes so I see no conflict of interest but await permission before posting. Plus as @fab can see, my views about Ara/Rinjani/Sasadu aren't exactly perfect.
Let me preface by stating that I havent designed many speakers.
But I am wondering about the choice to go with a 3-way design with mb and bass drivers of similar cone size.
But I am wondering about the choice to go with a 3-way design with mb and bass drivers of similar cone size.
BIG MAJOR CAVEAT: I am the SB distributor to SG & MY so there is obvious bias. However I distribute for fun, not profit.
I have already moved on to big 15" woofers + compression drivers even before I took up distributorship as I found their products to be of such great value and want to share this with fellow diyers in my area. Also, I cant ship Sasandu outside of my area so i hope this is interpreted as genuine sharing than shilling.
I use a EL34 PP amp (~22w) with these regularly and wife likes the combination though I found it slightly less bassy on my regular 65w class A amps.
So long your tube amp has got 4ohm taps and 20w the Sasandu will do surprisingly well.
I would like to know first if you are generally happy with the sound of the Sasandu and can recommended this kit to others.
I'll try to be objective. This is my own pair I paid for myself.
Friend and I A/B my Ara versus his Dynaudio C1. The Ara wins in every area with much better imaging, slightly cleaner/leaner but less bass punch. It is a great first & last kit for most people. With enough power (~300w?) it can energise my living room. Dynaudio friend eventually bought a pair of Ara Be.
Rinjani compared to Ara has a very slightly messier midrange which we attribute to being a 2.5way. This isnt an issue, just observation, friends with Rinjani are very happy with them. The Ara in comparison also has more of a mdf ringing perceived as warmer vocals. As a result the Rinjani is generally cleaner, much more engaging bass (punchier and cleaner) and slightly more dynamic.
Now the Sasandu. I think it took SB the longest to design these, there is so much attention to detail in terms of the cabinet design (crazy angles, no parallel walls anymore), crossover complexity. On paper it looks 'wrong' to us diyers, the midrange is too big, the woofers are too small, the crossover point between the mid and woofers is too high. But I laid trust in SB and bought them unheard, how could you the price is too low to afford dealers demo-ing to you. The gamble paid off in spades.
The Sasandu is near perfect to me (so much for being objective huh), its easy to drive, no mdf ring to me, you can hear this improved integration of the entire bandwidth compared to the lower end models. Imaging is as solid as ever with a wide and deep soundstage.
One niggle is the bass whilst taut fast and accurate isn't as hefty as I personally would like, the tonal balance is flat. All my friends love the balance and presentation so I think I personally just want more bassy tonal balance. I have other speakers when I have other genres but Im also happy to build a pair of midbass modules using SB34NRXL to add to the Sasandu. I wouldn't consider the this add on as a fix to a problem, merely an addon for my taste.
As mentioned earlier I used EL34 PP, Class A 65w amps with the speakers. I'd consider these the easiest to drive speakers i ever owned and i think it is due to the rather flat impedance response. The Sasandu and Rinjani Be were never harsh in case you worry about the beryllium tweeter.
The Sasandu now sits beside a pair of Classic Audio Loudspeaker (all field coil 4 way beryllium super tweet, 4" compresson driver & 2 15" woofers) and i prefer it for more audiophile music to get the staging and imaging. They arent better or worse than the Classic Audio, just different, more audiophile.
Hope this helps
I have already moved on to big 15" woofers + compression drivers even before I took up distributorship as I found their products to be of such great value and want to share this with fellow diyers in my area. Also, I cant ship Sasandu outside of my area so i hope this is interpreted as genuine sharing than shilling.
I was testing my 3w SET 2a3 amp to sell off and plugged to the Sasandu for a few mins. I was surprised to it sounded loud enough in my 700sqft living room at ~3m away.
I use a EL34 PP amp (~22w) with these regularly and wife likes the combination though I found it slightly less bassy on my regular 65w class A amps.
So long your tube amp has got 4ohm taps and 20w the Sasandu will do surprisingly well.
I would like to know first if you are generally happy with the sound of the Sasandu and can recommended this kit to others.
I'll try to be objective. This is my own pair I paid for myself.
Friend and I A/B my Ara versus his Dynaudio C1. The Ara wins in every area with much better imaging, slightly cleaner/leaner but less bass punch. It is a great first & last kit for most people. With enough power (~300w?) it can energise my living room. Dynaudio friend eventually bought a pair of Ara Be.
Rinjani compared to Ara has a very slightly messier midrange which we attribute to being a 2.5way. This isnt an issue, just observation, friends with Rinjani are very happy with them. The Ara in comparison also has more of a mdf ringing perceived as warmer vocals. As a result the Rinjani is generally cleaner, much more engaging bass (punchier and cleaner) and slightly more dynamic.
Now the Sasandu. I think it took SB the longest to design these, there is so much attention to detail in terms of the cabinet design (crazy angles, no parallel walls anymore), crossover complexity. On paper it looks 'wrong' to us diyers, the midrange is too big, the woofers are too small, the crossover point between the mid and woofers is too high. But I laid trust in SB and bought them unheard, how could you the price is too low to afford dealers demo-ing to you. The gamble paid off in spades.
The Sasandu is near perfect to me (so much for being objective huh), its easy to drive, no mdf ring to me, you can hear this improved integration of the entire bandwidth compared to the lower end models. Imaging is as solid as ever with a wide and deep soundstage.
One niggle is the bass whilst taut fast and accurate isn't as hefty as I personally would like, the tonal balance is flat. All my friends love the balance and presentation so I think I personally just want more bassy tonal balance. I have other speakers when I have other genres but Im also happy to build a pair of midbass modules using SB34NRXL to add to the Sasandu. I wouldn't consider the this add on as a fix to a problem, merely an addon for my taste.
As mentioned earlier I used EL34 PP, Class A 65w amps with the speakers. I'd consider these the easiest to drive speakers i ever owned and i think it is due to the rather flat impedance response. The Sasandu and Rinjani Be were never harsh in case you worry about the beryllium tweeter.
The Sasandu now sits beside a pair of Classic Audio Loudspeaker (all field coil 4 way beryllium super tweet, 4" compresson driver & 2 15" woofers) and i prefer it for more audiophile music to get the staging and imaging. They arent better or worse than the Classic Audio, just different, more audiophile.
I build kits way more often than my own designs as I am still learning how to get the sound i want. Anyways the Sasandu has to be heard before being judged this way. If you ask me yes i'd use a smaller mid and larger bass too. But it sounds great as is.
Hope this helps
SB Acoustics Sasadnu DIY kit from Audiohobby.eu:
There is no energy lack in treble, it is just how SB measured it.
Green is short window on axis between midwoofer and tweeter and red is on tweeter axis (complex sum of far field, nearfield and port) - 2db scale.
I suggest that it's better to listen them on the axis between midwoofer and tweeter - low chair or just add small foots to the front.
They are pretty flat with some extra bass + 2db @80-100Hz.
How it sounds?
I've recently auditioned (and measured) Perlisten S7t towers (a lot of positive reviews in internet) and I would say that while Sasandu is not perfect, it still reproduce music better then S7t.
Sasandu goes lower then S7t - LF extends to 35Hz @-3dB, while S7t only to 45Hz - about same as SB ARA.
Sasandu's impedance have lowest point 3.35Ohm @30Hz, what is quite fine for any amplifier.
To my ears Sasandu was better then S7T and better then any of B&W Diamond series.
What I did not liked in Sasandu is a bit much bass on 50-120Hz and it was not enough dry&punchy for me. In untreated rooms it might have betnefits, but if you are perfectionist in Stereo and your room is well done with acoustics treatment, then you may feel that they the bass require adjustments.
Anyway, it is bargain for the money: easy to assemble, just screws, push-on connectors to drivers and soldering of terminals.
Oh, cutting damping is tricky 🙂 Most difficult part of the assembly process. Sasandu easily competes with 2-3 times more expensive speakers from "brands".
Here is in-room measurements, 1/6 smoothing - it extends to 30Hz @-6dB:
150dB vertical scale makes all looking good. 40-60dB scale (as is normally used for speaker measurements) would probably show mild downtilt of trebles above 10kHz. It is also in tweeter datasheet.
It is pretty flat there, image attached is measurements are on axis between tweeter and mid, 1dB scale.
1 kHz is 92.5dB
2.15 kHz is 90.3dB
18 kHz is 89dB
200Hz-18kHz fits into +-2dB
TW29BN tweeters ares very detailed, slight roll-off is absolutely fine there.
I was not concerned with that top end mild rolloff. Now your measurements match SBA measurements and tweeter datasheet.
For example, BW 802D Diamond tweeter has similar rolloff and it is definitely ok, detailed and airy.
For example, BW 802D Diamond tweeter has similar rolloff and it is definitely ok, detailed and airy.
I’m thinking of doing a Textreme edition and giving it the spinorama treatment.
SB Acoustics Singapore please send drivers.
SB Acoustics Australia please send cabinet.
I will send it to Erin’s Hardison for review and Klippel measurements
😉
SB Acoustics Singapore please send drivers.
SB Acoustics Australia please send cabinet.
I will send it to Erin’s Hardison for review and Klippel measurements
😉
Yeah the whole top octave of music (10-20Khz) is over-rated; as is the bottom octave. (20-40Hz)