Are any hi-end diy projects using the midbass peerless hds182? did anybody use this driver?i like to use it in a three way project,any suggestions about the bass driver?
joz said:
I've build an MTM with 2 Hds 182's and one wa10 tweeter. Filterdesign by the guy I bought the drivers from.
They sound good, but a bit to warm for me.
It depends on the music you listen to. For jaz they are really good. very deep bass.
Maybe you get better results with a threeway. probably a nicer midrange.
Hi,
I've also been tempted to use these drivers in a 2-way TM, MTM or TMM.
But if you're going for a 3-way, why not choose the HDS134 combined with the HDS205?
The HDS134 will prob have a better impulse behavior because of the lighter membrane + it will prob have a better offaxis response.
(Damn my english is strange today 😉)
Edit : Peter wasn't it also that they didn't sound to great on rockmusic?
I've also been tempted to use these drivers in a 2-way TM, MTM or TMM.
But if you're going for a 3-way, why not choose the HDS134 combined with the HDS205?
The HDS134 will prob have a better impulse behavior because of the lighter membrane + it will prob have a better offaxis response.
(Damn my english is strange today 😉)
Edit : Peter wasn't it also that they didn't sound to great on rockmusic?
Well, that was my first impression. But then I changed the polarity of the tweeters and now they sound better.
A wrong polarity can lead to a dip around the x-over point...
I don't know. It's hard to judge your own speakers. They were my first and I like the result. But my commercial Missions 774 have i nicer midrange.
The bass of the hds182 is very good though. But next time I think I will go for smaller mid-drivers, for a better midrange. Maybe I'm asking to much of these mid-woofers...
A wrong polarity can lead to a dip around the x-over point...
I don't know. It's hard to judge your own speakers. They were my first and I like the result. But my commercial Missions 774 have i nicer midrange.
The bass of the hds182 is very good though. But next time I think I will go for smaller mid-drivers, for a better midrange. Maybe I'm asking to much of these mid-woofers...
Following project looks very appealing to me at the moment :
A 3-way with a Peerless HDS205 as woofer, a Peerless HDS134 as middriver and a Seas 27TFFC as tweeter.
Or a 3-way with a Peerless HDS205 as a woofer and a Peerless CSX145 as a middriver would give even more bang for the buck. Let's face it the only difference between the CSX and the HDS line is the cast frame. Also I think a cast frame doesn't give a significant advantage to a middriver. And isn't the CSX145 almost the same as the HDS134?
Develop a nice xover and I think we have a winner 🙂 for a nice price.
A 3-way with a Peerless HDS205 as woofer, a Peerless HDS134 as middriver and a Seas 27TFFC as tweeter.
Or a 3-way with a Peerless HDS205 as a woofer and a Peerless CSX145 as a middriver would give even more bang for the buck. Let's face it the only difference between the CSX and the HDS line is the cast frame. Also I think a cast frame doesn't give a significant advantage to a middriver. And isn't the CSX145 almost the same as the HDS134?
Develop a nice xover and I think we have a winner 🙂 for a nice price.
Hi,
Funny the HDS 182 is also known as the HDS 164 on the Peerless web site. Well, actually these are 182cm x 164 cm and are stated 17 cm nominal 😉 These speakers were tested in Klang und Ton 4/99. The waterfall plot showed almost no resonances. Very well damped up to the end of the pass band of 5 KHz. But the mechanical Q is pretty low due to the aluminium voice coil.
These look great for bass speakers, but I am in doubt how they will do as mid rangers. These have a linear x_max of over 6 mm. I am considering these for slim 20 cm wide bas cabinets with a first order x-over at 125 Hz. First simulations showed that they perform pretty well in a 10L to 15L closed box. I am considering to put 3 of these units in a 30L 20 cm wide CB enclosure and to equalise them to 30 Hz electronically with a low Q-factor. Each unit will be powered by a ST TDA7293. Simulations showed that the units and amps are not power-limited up to 25 Hz then. It showed that the speakers are excursion limited at low frequencies.
The intention is to support bass extension of a pair of Von Schweikert VR-1’s. These speakers roll off neatly second order at app. 60 Hz. This makes a neat x-over at 125 Hz not easy.
Any thoughts?
Funny the HDS 182 is also known as the HDS 164 on the Peerless web site. Well, actually these are 182cm x 164 cm and are stated 17 cm nominal 😉 These speakers were tested in Klang und Ton 4/99. The waterfall plot showed almost no resonances. Very well damped up to the end of the pass band of 5 KHz. But the mechanical Q is pretty low due to the aluminium voice coil.
These look great for bass speakers, but I am in doubt how they will do as mid rangers. These have a linear x_max of over 6 mm. I am considering these for slim 20 cm wide bas cabinets with a first order x-over at 125 Hz. First simulations showed that they perform pretty well in a 10L to 15L closed box. I am considering to put 3 of these units in a 30L 20 cm wide CB enclosure and to equalise them to 30 Hz electronically with a low Q-factor. Each unit will be powered by a ST TDA7293. Simulations showed that the units and amps are not power-limited up to 25 Hz then. It showed that the speakers are excursion limited at low frequencies.
The intention is to support bass extension of a pair of Von Schweikert VR-1’s. These speakers roll off neatly second order at app. 60 Hz. This makes a neat x-over at 125 Hz not easy.
Any thoughts?
my diy ideas
As i want to built a hi-end project in a BMTMB Dapollito compination i want to choose great drivers
Midbass: scanspeak 15w/8530k00 or 18w/8531g00 # peerless hds 134 or 182 # vifa p17wj or xt18wh09-08
Tweeter:dynaudio esotar 330 #scanspeak d2905/70000 #vifa xt25
Bass:8" driver most probably from the same company of the choosen midbass driver
MY GOAL is to built a reference loudspeaker using:
-separate cabin for each driver
-every driver has the same distance fron the listener in aparticular point
-external xo
-very strong built cabins, maybe fron concrete
I LIKE TO HEAR THE OPINION OF THE EXPERTS
As i want to built a hi-end project in a BMTMB Dapollito compination i want to choose great drivers
Midbass: scanspeak 15w/8530k00 or 18w/8531g00 # peerless hds 134 or 182 # vifa p17wj or xt18wh09-08
Tweeter:dynaudio esotar 330 #scanspeak d2905/70000 #vifa xt25
Bass:8" driver most probably from the same company of the choosen midbass driver
MY GOAL is to built a reference loudspeaker using:
-separate cabin for each driver
-every driver has the same distance fron the listener in aparticular point
-external xo
-very strong built cabins, maybe fron concrete
I LIKE TO HEAR THE OPINION OF THE EXPERTS
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