The photo doesn't quite do justice to the physical impression these - or any of Bernie's solid wood builds- make in the flesh. I've built my fair share of the 'trapezoid' designs, and don't even want to think about the time involved in these.
When I last heard them, I can't remember exactly which tweeter he was using, as I was most impressed by the LF performance - which really shouldn't have been much of a surprise, as I have a pair of MTMs with dual 12PW per side .
When I last heard them, I can't remember exactly which tweeter he was using, as I was most impressed by the LF performance - which really shouldn't have been much of a surprise, as I have a pair of MTMs with dual 12PW per side .
This picture, at least, has more context to judge the size, and shows the custom standmount version Bernie built in solid wood. His solid wood creations are works of art as well as good speakers.
dave
So which planset would the 12PW and 5.2 combo be in. I currently have the Alpair 10.3 planset. I plan to make some Onkens with the 10.3's.
If I plan to make a surround system and have the 12PW/5.2's as the front L/R, and the A10s as surrounds, what would work as a center speaker?
I like the look of the solid wood speakers, any special things to know about the construction with regards to wood movement?
If I plan to make a surround system and have the 12PW/5.2's as the front L/R, and the A10s as surrounds, what would work as a center speaker?
I like the look of the solid wood speakers, any special things to know about the construction with regards to wood movement?
@Dave
Did you measure 12p vs. 12pw in comparison ?
For some reason i looked up both drivers at the manufacturer's site yesterday, and it seemed to me, that the 12pw might be more balanced (from manufacturer's measurements). Of course it "fades" above 10K, but still might be used as FR in my opinion.
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I have not measured these 2 drivers. The few A12p i had were long gone by the time i got any A12pw.
Personally i do prefer the A12pw as a FR over the A12p. It gets far to little love.
dave
Personally i do prefer the A12pw as a FR over the A12p. It gets far to little love.
dave
I have been using my 12pw as full range drivers using my ACA 1.1 monoblocks. It is good to listen to as a full range driver. Going to try it as a two way with either a A5.3 or an Eikona 2 once I finish my 4 channel Mod 86 amp and DLCP build. Like the low end I am getting from the A12pw in the Woden folded MLTL.
I’d choose the A5.2/3 over the Eikona. Despite being considerably less expensive, once the need to reproduce bass is removed, the smaller driver is the better performer.
Scott and i have done a WAW with the start on passive XOs for A12pw and A5.2/3.
dave
Scott and i have done a WAW with the start on passive XOs for A12pw and A5.2/3.
dave
That looks like an interesting design to me, I'd like to know more when the crossover is sorted..
I might be asking about a plan for a waw using a MAOP11 at some stage with a crossover and some other speaker that I'll need guidance for..
I might be asking about a plan for a waw using a MAOP11 at some stage with a crossover and some other speaker that I'll need guidance for..
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WE are here. Just email.
This could be scaled to the MAOP11/A11ms/P11. The bottom would remain the same. There are many potential bass drivers.
dave
This could be scaled to the MAOP11/A11ms/P11. The bottom would remain the same. There are many potential bass drivers.
dave
Thank you Dave - i don't really know how this works, and feel bad asking too much by email, but may do just that soon as I have a pair of MAOP11's in Frugel Horns that my wife can't stand the look of...
Steve,
The planset for those is a Woden paid planset. It should be adaptable to the P11 (i expect that it will drop into the A10x midTweeter. Scott would have to tweak the XOs for the driver substitution.
email me or Scott if you’d like more info.
dave
The planset for those is a Woden paid planset. It should be adaptable to the P11 (i expect that it will drop into the A10x midTweeter. Scott would have to tweak the XOs for the driver substitution.
email me or Scott if you’d like more info.
dave
Thank you Dave, I will.
For now a quick question - if I make a front baffle thicker, ie up from 18mm to 30,do I measure the port length from the front of the baffle, or keep the distance in sticks into the cabinet the same?
For now a quick question - if I make a front baffle thicker, ie up from 18mm to 30,do I measure the port length from the front of the baffle, or keep the distance in sticks into the cabinet the same?
I have been listening to the 12Pw as a full range driver. It sound pretty good. I think it needs some upper end frequency. I may even be tempted to see how it works with a super tweeter as compared to as a WAW crossed over to another full range driver in the 200 to 400 Hz range.
Sorry, I've not been online much for the last couple of weeks, a lot of stuff going on here, not much of it good.
Anyway, my speakers are now in use, running in and sounding very good.
I still need to sit down for a proper listen before I try adjusting the stuffing ( I still don't really understand what difference it makes having more out less) and then I'll be taking them back into the garage so that I can veneer and seal them, then take a few pictures.
The best thing is that my wife has said that they look good as well as sound good. That's rare praise.
Promise I'll post pictures soon, as long as I can work out how!
Anyway, my speakers are now in use, running in and sounding very good.
I still need to sit down for a proper listen before I try adjusting the stuffing ( I still don't really understand what difference it makes having more out less) and then I'll be taking them back into the garage so that I can veneer and seal them, then take a few pictures.
The best thing is that my wife has said that they look good as well as sound good. That's rare praise.
Promise I'll post pictures soon, as long as I can work out how!
Steve,
Remind us what box you built. How you stuff a reflex is different than sealed or TLs.
dave
Remind us what box you built. How you stuff a reflex is different than sealed or TLs.
dave