Why is it always about the money Jay. You seem so focussed on price and cost. Why not focus on actual useful features instead?
Jay,
If you were to hear Wesayso's full range system in person, you would have a different opinion of what a full range system can do. $500 in Vifa TC9FD drivers will blow the shorts off most multiway systems costing much much more in drivers. A single Be tweeter from SS will set you back $450.
If you were to hear my full range tractrix horn FAST (the Trynergy) you would be hard pressed to find a speaker that uses $60 in drivers sound as good with such low HD and 98dB sensitivity.
It's all about the driver characteristics, the design, and execution.
If you were to hear Wesayso's full range system in person, you would have a different opinion of what a full range system can do. $500 in Vifa TC9FD drivers will blow the shorts off most multiway systems costing much much more in drivers. A single Be tweeter from SS will set you back $450.
If you were to hear my full range tractrix horn FAST (the Trynergy) you would be hard pressed to find a speaker that uses $60 in drivers sound as good with such low HD and 98dB sensitivity.
It's all about the driver characteristics, the design, and execution.
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"Why is it always about the money Jay. You seem so focussed on price and cost."
"If you were to hear Wesayso's full range system in person, you would have a different opinion of what a full range system can do. $500 in Vifa TC9FD drivers will blow the shorts off most multiway systems "
"If you were to hear my full range tractrix horn FAST (the Trynergy) you would be hard pressed to find a speaker that uses $60 in drivers sound as good with such low HD and 98dB sensitivity. "
money?
"If you were to hear Wesayso's full range system in person, you would have a different opinion of what a full range system can do. $500 in Vifa TC9FD drivers will blow the shorts off most multiway systems "
"If you were to hear my full range tractrix horn FAST (the Trynergy) you would be hard pressed to find a speaker that uses $60 in drivers sound as good with such low HD and 98dB sensitivity. "
money?
"spend a lot" ?
its not just driver cost, its development time, construction time et al, its all a balancing act, sort of like the "iron" law but related to time, material and marital costs 🙂
its not just driver cost, its development time, construction time et al, its all a balancing act, sort of like the "iron" law but related to time, material and marital costs 🙂
I have always tried to squeeze out the last bit of anything I could have from a driver. Can you make a $1 tweeter to sound as good as a Heil AMT-1?
What would you do with a $1 tweeter? Make the best out of it, then MOVE ON.
I would first look at all the specs I could find on that $ 1 tweeter before I'd buy it.
I'm not a gambler type buying each driver there is. But once I do find what I'm looking for I'd try and squeeze everything out of it that I can, that part I agree on. But I wouldn't look at the price (as a factor to judge) to determine the qualities I'm after.
I'm not a gambler type buying each driver there is. But once I do find what I'm looking for I'd try and squeeze everything out of it that I can, that part I agree on. But I wouldn't look at the price (as a factor to judge) to determine the qualities I'm after.
Of course. One factor/variable that is important to me is the one that I cannot fully control with my crossover skill. It's the intrinsic non-linear distortion of the driver. Unfortunately, it has correlation with price.
Take a look at this driver comparison. Which one is your favorite? The Scan Speak isn't it? With the tweeter, I'll need a crossover, and a tweeter. Not a full range. But that's me. But yes, hear that bloody expensive driver known as G...
You don't know that there are many good driver here in my country that is almost has no price. They are manufactured by Sinar Baja, which also manufactured the SB Acoustic drivers.
Is that what the SB of SB Acoustics stands for? They do indeed make nice drivers. Some of their large open framed Nd motor drivers are top notch, and in $200 price point. I guess you have ears that go above 15kHz. Us old guys above 40 start to lose out and tweeters may or may not make much of a difference above 15kHz.
I have the SB65WBAC25 - a very unusual and nice sounding full range driver that is almost like a 1in aluminum dome tweeter.
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SB Acoustics was formed to bring an alternative to the hi-end transducer market. Marrying the design talents of Danesian Audio( Denmark ), a company filled with industry veterans, responsible for many well known and revolutionary designs, and manufacturing partner Sinar Baja Electric ( Indonesia ), a vertically integrated company with more than 27 years of transducer manufacturing experience.
SB Acoustics was formed to bring an alternative to the hi-end transducer market. Marrying the design talents of Danesian Audio( Denmark ), a company filled with industry veterans, responsible for many well known and revolutionary designs, and manufacturing partner Sinar Baja Electric ( Indonesia ), a vertically integrated company with more than 27 years of transducer manufacturing experience.
Im partial to local produce and around here they do produce decent quality drivers. I dont know if you know, but here they want to be paid more than next to nothing to produce. And spermaceti is expensive. It all adds up.
I believe so.
I strongly believe so. I have never checked my ears but I believe my ears are affected by HF sound even above 20kHz. May be just it's harmonic, I'm not sure.
I'm 44. But yes, with flat FR to 20k and above, you will hear too many "hash", but somehow I'm not too distracted by it. It contributes to creating good imaging/soundstage (and female voice tonality too to some extent)
Just a reminder to folks who have not voted yet, there's about 2 days to go so be sure to listen and pick your favorite.
I hope to have my living room to myself at some point during this day.
Can't wait to hear this test, but haven't had the chance yet.
Can't wait to hear this test, but haven't had the chance yet.
I hope to have my living room to myself at some point during this day.
Can't wait to hear this test, but haven't had the chance yet.
It would indeed sound fantastic on your arrays, but use headphones if you have to. 🙂
So true, Lowther and Fostex never convinced me, Markaudio, Tang Band and others sound so much better. Today I can only listen to fullrange.
Hope you have had a chance to listen to the offerings here. MA, TB, and a good showing by the Danes (albeit, some manufactured in Asia like so many other things).
Don't forget to vote.
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Just discovered this thread and find it interesting. I'm listening on phones but will try the Quads later.
I suspect that I couldn't live with any of these drivers as I hear them. I only checked which was which after I had listened and voted.
Most of them I found coloured in the mid range but the worst was the treble which I found to be painful.
I wasn't too surprised to find that the paper coned one was my favourite, so much for modern materials😀
This must have taken you ages to put together, I admire dedication like that. I've been listening to hi-fi for fifty years or so and have listened to more systems that I care to remember but always come back to Quad Electrostatics as sounding right to me. This may well influence what I hear with these drivers of course. Many would suggest that the treble performance is a bit dull but I find any enhancement in that area to be shrill and over the top.
I suspect that I couldn't live with any of these drivers as I hear them. I only checked which was which after I had listened and voted.
Most of them I found coloured in the mid range but the worst was the treble which I found to be painful.
I wasn't too surprised to find that the paper coned one was my favourite, so much for modern materials😀
This must have taken you ages to put together, I admire dedication like that. I've been listening to hi-fi for fifty years or so and have listened to more systems that I care to remember but always come back to Quad Electrostatics as sounding right to me. This may well influence what I hear with these drivers of course. Many would suggest that the treble performance is a bit dull but I find any enhancement in that area to be shrill and over the top.
How do you know which is a paper cone driver from just listening? Less treble?
Yes, this was quite a bit of work in the making and did indeed take a lot of time. The folks who provided me drivers to test also deserve much thanks, otherwise, I would have just continued playing with the TC9FD in a dozen different alignments 😀 - which as we found from the Round 1, isn't such a bad driver to keep playing with. 🙂