Whoops, indeed. These are JAN 1943.
How is PSRR of the cathode follower? I have just two reservoir caps underneath, combining L&R channels on one cap might give bleeding...
It is close to mu.
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Ian
The 12AU7 intrinsic distortion is bad compared to most other audio tubes. Morgan Jones demonstrated this beyond doubt and I have verified it myself. Put a 6CG7 in the same topology and it will beat the 12AU7 hands down.
Whether it is 'better' than an SRPP depends entirely on what you want to do with it. Whatever the standing current, the SRPP will output twice the current that you can get from a CF. That's what the SRPP was designed for - an output stage.
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Ian
A classic Conrad Johnson PV10 has got a 12AU7 in the line stage. It is a simple common cathode + cathode follower without bootstrapping and distortion is 1% at about 20V RMS. At 1V output it is 0.02-0.03%. The SRPP cannot do this with a 12AU7 for sure. Actually I have found the same with the ECC88. I have tried many times in all possible manners.
In a line amplifier I have never had the necessity of twice the current of the SRPP as I don't need to drive strange animals. I also have all types of valves you want, even better than the 6CG7. It is not the point. The point is about the circuit and you can make a very good one even using a 12AU7 but this is not the SRPP. Or if you like, the best circuit you can make is not the SRPP for any given device.
Having said this I normally use solid state gear at signal level, especially phono preamp. I find it better from any point of view.
10k //10nF to absolute maximum of 20Vpp.You also need to specify the load you are driving and the level you want to drive into it..........
Normal maximum signal level 6Vpp (CDP and similar)
A classic Conrad Johnson PV10 has got a 12AU7 in the line stage. It is a simple common cathode + cathode follower without bootstrapping and distortion is 1% at about 20V RMS. At 1V output it is 0.02-0.03%. The SRPP cannot do this with a 12AU7 for sure. Actually I have found the same with the ECC88. I have tried many times in all possible manners.
In a line amplifier I have never had the necessity of twice the current of the SRPP as I don't need to drive strange animals. I also have all types of valves you want, even better than the 6CG7. It is not the point. The point is about the circuit and you can make a very good one even using a 12AU7 but this is not the SRPP. Or if you like, the best circuit you can make is not the SRPP for any given device.
Having said this I normally use solid state gear at signal level, especially phono preamp. I find it better from any point of view.
I am not quite sure where you are trying to go with this. As I said before "Whether it is 'better' than an SRPP depends entirely on what you want to do with it."
If you want a line amp then I agree, an SRPP is not a good choice, but if you want a headphones amp then a cathode follower is not a good choice. To be honest, I cannot understand what you have a problem with.
P.S Name one tube with better intrinsic distortion than a 6CG7.
Cheers
Ian
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If you want a line amp then I agree, an SRPP is not a good choice, but if you want a headphones amp then a cathode follower is not a good choice. To be honest, I cannot understand what you have a problem with.
I don't have any problem. It's just that I think the cathode follower is better. For a headphone amp you can still use a cathode follower with a gapped output transformer which is more linear and there is no necessity of rather big capacitor in series which creates a resonance anyway. It might be damped but phase won't be that good.
P.S Name one tube with better intrinsic distortion than a 6CG7.
Cheers
Ian
6P5GT, 6E5P, 6H30, D3a. Are these enough?
Without taking into account directly heated devices.
The 6SN7/6CG7 is one of my favourite as cathode follower. It really shines in this application.
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Name one tube with better intrinsic distortion than a 6CG7.
12AX7 and D3a are two for which I have data.
I don't have any problem. It's just that I think the cathode follower is better.
Always????
6P5GT, 6E5P, 6H30, D3a. Are these enough?
Without taking into account directly heated devices.
Please post your test results of measured intrinsic distortion for these valves.
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Ian
If one wants/needs an output impedance of around 100ohms, what valve/s should be used in the cathode follower and what circuit gets to that target?
You also need to specify the load you are driving and the level you want to drive into it.
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Ian
Ruff,10k //10nF to absolute maximum of 20Vpp.
Normal maximum signal level 6Vpp (CDP and similar)
which post from you, or any others, showed a changed answer, or any answer, after I answered your question?
Did the extra information make my requirement any different?
Ruff,
which post from you, or any others, showed a changed answer, or any answer, after I answered your question?
Did the extra information make my requirement any different?
Sorry Andrew, I missed your answer. Let me think about it. The 10K is no probrem. Whewre does the 10nF come from.
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Ian
12AX7 and D3a are two for which I have data.
I was expecting the 12AX7. Some types I have measured are extraordinarily good. Can you post test method and result for D3a. Am I right in thinking the data is for the a triode connection?
Cheers
Ian
Stressing the ratings causes microphonics, however .....it's a fate shared by more famous valves. Will the heaters be damaged by misusal (they're lifted max by 100Vdc)? Left the pre running last night at full throttle (FM radio) and I must confess this lil' plinker is not bad at all. I'm in the dark for numbers as a dissident non-simulate type but the old ears don't lie. Has anyone seen curves for these // why won't there be any?
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cables and RF attenuation into possibly multi-parallel receivers.Sorry Andrew, I missed your answer. Let me think about it. The 10K is no probrem. Whewre does the 10nF come from.
Cheers
Ian
Please post your test results of measured intrinsic distortion for these valves.
I have done so in the past.
... but it's a little too rich to stand for listening more than half an hour.... the old ears don't lie.
Back to the roots again with a simple CF and some more current this time.
For me it is yes. I just don't like SRPP as I have always found a better solution.Always????
Please post your test results of measured intrinsic distortion for these valves.
Cheers
Ian
I have nothing to post. I don't use a computer to measure distortion. It's an "old" HP analyzer.
You will find the same results in other places like Bartola Valves website by my friend Ale. Actually you will find the actual curves as well.
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El Mufo
Well, I see this one in the Valve Wizard web pages, it can do the job without any sweat
El Mufo!
You need C3 this big just for sucn an abnormal load, for any other reasonable thing , c3 can be .33u , or smaller..
Well, I see this one in the Valve Wizard web pages, it can do the job without any sweat
El Mufo!
You need C3 this big just for sucn an abnormal load, for any other reasonable thing , c3 can be .33u , or smaller..
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