Hi,
So what? When we are discussing BG vs. OsCon vs. Silmic/Cerafine we are also disussing "commercial" products. ANd so far I have not heard any people baying for banning discussions on storebouight components and insisting that you have to make EVERY RESISTOR, EVERY CAPACITOR AND EVERY TRANSFORMER yourself and lets not start about making Vlaves, Transistors or IC's oneself.
I think C37 or Tubulator lacquer fall into the same category. Using at least semi industrial methodes makes it viable. I for one know what is involved in making your own violin lacquer (or your own violin in fact) and I'm happy to buy an off the shelf product.
I'm equally aware of what it takes to make your own resistors, capcitors, transformers and speaker drive units (simply becuase I made some of all of these) and again I'm happy to leave the job to specialists.
Yup. But we seem to have severe problems getting past the stage "IF THE STUFF WORKS", with the majority of contributors having severe prejudices to the fact that the stuff don't work. I use the term prejudices deliberatly, as non of the NAY sayers have ANY experience of either the mainly discussed products or indeed any similar ones. And if something does not work you cannot find how it works.
It is like trying to find out the actual effect of a mind altering drug from a teacher. They will tell "don't do it" and "it will screw you up" (and right they are from their angle), yet they speak as Eunuchs would about sex, from a point of complete and utter ignorance.
We probably could. I suspect I can make my own violin lackquer for less than C37 costs, discounting of course work and accounting only for the chymical ingrediences. I alsoi suspect that C37 is sufficiently different from the generic formulas for Violin Lackquer that the results will differ. No doubt I could then alchymically mix, match and try tinctures untill I get a "match" toi C37 lackquer. Sounds like much ado about nothing to me.
Anyway, my tupence....
Sayonara
So what? When we are discussing BG vs. OsCon vs. Silmic/Cerafine we are also disussing "commercial" products. ANd so far I have not heard any people baying for banning discussions on storebouight components and insisting that you have to make EVERY RESISTOR, EVERY CAPACITOR AND EVERY TRANSFORMER yourself and lets not start about making Vlaves, Transistors or IC's oneself.
I think C37 or Tubulator lacquer fall into the same category. Using at least semi industrial methodes makes it viable. I for one know what is involved in making your own violin lacquer (or your own violin in fact) and I'm happy to buy an off the shelf product.
I'm equally aware of what it takes to make your own resistors, capcitors, transformers and speaker drive units (simply becuase I made some of all of these) and again I'm happy to leave the job to specialists.
Yup. But we seem to have severe problems getting past the stage "IF THE STUFF WORKS", with the majority of contributors having severe prejudices to the fact that the stuff don't work. I use the term prejudices deliberatly, as non of the NAY sayers have ANY experience of either the mainly discussed products or indeed any similar ones. And if something does not work you cannot find how it works.
It is like trying to find out the actual effect of a mind altering drug from a teacher. They will tell "don't do it" and "it will screw you up" (and right they are from their angle), yet they speak as Eunuchs would about sex, from a point of complete and utter ignorance.
We probably could. I suspect I can make my own violin lackquer for less than C37 costs, discounting of course work and accounting only for the chymical ingrediences. I alsoi suspect that C37 is sufficiently different from the generic formulas for Violin Lackquer that the results will differ. No doubt I could then alchymically mix, match and try tinctures untill I get a "match" toi C37 lackquer. Sounds like much ado about nothing to me.
Anyway, my tupence....
Sayonara
Kuei
I was only trying to get this thread into a constructive frame of mind rather than the destructive one it seems to be in at the moment!😉
I was only trying to get this thread into a constructive frame of mind rather than the destructive one it seems to be in at the moment!😉
I do appreciate the thought. Yet as long as people with minimal if any experience on the subject make up the vast majority of the "contributions" to this thread all is basically verbal and mental ******** completely divorced from the subject discussed.
I personally would suggest that ALL contributors to this thread (myself included) shoudl be sinbinned for a week or two to cool down for perpetuating unneccsary bandwidth wastage. Excepting of course those having made decisive comments WITHOUT any experience of that which they pontificate about, who should be sinbinned a while longer.
Maybe a year or two, to give them time to actually experience some things, instead of talking uninformed loblocks (as the say on planet anagramia) all day long and prolifically (note - some of the most vocal UK/London people in this thread are indeed known personally to me and they really should experience more).....
Sayonara
Hi Charles,
The Tube-O-Later sample arrived in the post today, and I am very grateful.
Unfortunately, I already have a quite busy weekend planned with family involvement, but as soon as time permits, I will try it out.
I do fully appreciate your caveats over not using it 'everywhere' too soon, but this fits in with my personal testing strategy, anyway.
I will always try out only one mod at a time, even though it takes longer, as this is the only way to be sure which components do actually benefit, and which possibly do not. Clearly with (normally!) expensive products like this, it is important.
Also, as promised, I will publish my test findings in due course, but don't anyone hold their breath, as I am a slow and deliberate kind of chap, as I have found that this is the best method of not accidentally deceiving one's self.
Additionally, I wish to be absolutely certain that I am being fair to Charles and this product, in view of the overall level of interest shown on this Forum.
Although Charles has not made any request, nor even any comment about this, I have no intention of doing any 'analysis' on the product, so anyone who hopes that they will be getting the recipe from me will be disappointed. Especially in view of how I have come to have the Tube-O-Later in the first place, I would not be happy go behind Charles' back, and undermine his commercial enterprise.
I appreciate your confidence in your product, reflected in the gesture made in letting me have this FOC sample, and I would readily purchase any additional requirements from you in the future, if I decided I would like some further supplies. 😎
It will be an interesting time!
Regards,🙂
The Tube-O-Later sample arrived in the post today, and I am very grateful.
Unfortunately, I already have a quite busy weekend planned with family involvement, but as soon as time permits, I will try it out.
I do fully appreciate your caveats over not using it 'everywhere' too soon, but this fits in with my personal testing strategy, anyway.
I will always try out only one mod at a time, even though it takes longer, as this is the only way to be sure which components do actually benefit, and which possibly do not. Clearly with (normally!) expensive products like this, it is important.
Also, as promised, I will publish my test findings in due course, but don't anyone hold their breath, as I am a slow and deliberate kind of chap, as I have found that this is the best method of not accidentally deceiving one's self.
Additionally, I wish to be absolutely certain that I am being fair to Charles and this product, in view of the overall level of interest shown on this Forum.
Although Charles has not made any request, nor even any comment about this, I have no intention of doing any 'analysis' on the product, so anyone who hopes that they will be getting the recipe from me will be disappointed. Especially in view of how I have come to have the Tube-O-Later in the first place, I would not be happy go behind Charles' back, and undermine his commercial enterprise.
I appreciate your confidence in your product, reflected in the gesture made in letting me have this FOC sample, and I would readily purchase any additional requirements from you in the future, if I decided I would like some further supplies. 😎
It will be an interesting time!
Regards,🙂
Interesting Indeed.
Hi Bob,
Very poor excuses there I reckon. 😉
Hurry up and try it so we can read your intelligent appraisal of this generous gift.
Eric.
Charles - May the Gods smile on you.
Hi Bob,
Very poor excuses there I reckon. 😉
Hurry up and try it so we can read your intelligent appraisal of this generous gift.
Eric.
Charles - May the Gods smile on you.
Hi,
Why does the Tubes Forum have to inherit something that hasn't got anything to do with tubes?
Cheers,😉
Why does the Tubes Forum have to inherit something that hasn't got anything to do with tubes?
Cheers,😉
fdegrove said:
Because the discussion amongst the morons-with-a-magazine speculates about how electrons flowing through a vacuum aren't quantized?
SY said:
SY -- I was awaiting your reply --
it was almost 40 years ago that a high school physics prof --explained in the most elegant way -- EMF and what and how things "moved" even though they more or less "shoved"
a high school physics teacher as a "prof" == yepp, one of those old timers who taught physics, greek latin, calculus, etc.
I've realized the best sonic improvements when I use the product on my toenail. The left big toe.
SY said:
Dear colleague,
in Paul Seydor I think we found ourselves the second case of 'bushlexia'
http://www.bushwatch.com/english.htm
grataku said:
being familiar with dyslexia, i.e. not being able to differentiate between "p's" and "q's", or "b" and "d" etc., I am wondering whether "bushlexia" has something to do with not being able to differentiate the correct opening.
SY said:
You noticed that too? When I read the article a while back I laughed my *** off and was about to write a letter to the editor but then I thought twice and just said "Naaaaaah."
The article also seems to overlook the fact that those "continuous" electrons flying through the vacuum have nothing to do with the sound. It's only those electrons that have slammed into that conductive plate at the other end of their journey that produce the sound.
Hilarious.
se
They don't slam. In great tubes, like 300Bs, they arrive near the plate, are placed individually on little eiderdown pillows, then carried to the surface of the plate, whereupon they are lowered gently. In ruder tubes, there is some pushing and shoving, but that's why you apply dampers and Highstone resistors.
SY said:
I see, there is a more profound understanding of the physics
of tubes than for transistors. As far as I know there are still
some holes in the theory of semiconductors. 🙂
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