Neo value dropped 30%
Over sold and prices cut rated.
Not as rare as you think and not as valuable as you think.
Wanna argue? not possible unless something is excessive not rare.
People lie and pretend it is rare, because they cut rate the prices to much.
Then make fake shortages to drive it up again.
Same old roller coaster for 30 years, and they are too greedy to stop it and actually have control
Some entities have very good mines, enough for worldwide distribution to completely change.
Problem is, it is very toxic to process and over regulated product. So it all got sold to people with less restrictions.
In fact the last fake shortage was to force new mines to open. Guess what they did?
Sold it right back to the original problem for a quick buck.
Then everybody gets upset when the people they sold it too, wont give it back.
Something they have done many many times over the last 30 years.
Mine it yourself , process it yourself if so important. Stop over regulating toxic processes.
Then pretend your "Green" just because somebody else does the dirty work.
Like asking the guy that robbed you, to manage your money lol.
Then do that multiple times for 30 years. See how stupid people are?
After 30 years of stupid they try to blame it on everyone else but themselves.
Then all the victims that payed the fake high prices, believe the people that ripped them off.
Over sold and prices cut rated.
Not as rare as you think and not as valuable as you think.
Wanna argue? not possible unless something is excessive not rare.
People lie and pretend it is rare, because they cut rate the prices to much.
Then make fake shortages to drive it up again.
Same old roller coaster for 30 years, and they are too greedy to stop it and actually have control
Some entities have very good mines, enough for worldwide distribution to completely change.
Problem is, it is very toxic to process and over regulated product. So it all got sold to people with less restrictions.
In fact the last fake shortage was to force new mines to open. Guess what they did?
Sold it right back to the original problem for a quick buck.
Then everybody gets upset when the people they sold it too, wont give it back.
Something they have done many many times over the last 30 years.
Mine it yourself , process it yourself if so important. Stop over regulating toxic processes.
Then pretend your "Green" just because somebody else does the dirty work.
Like asking the guy that robbed you, to manage your money lol.
Then do that multiple times for 30 years. See how stupid people are?
After 30 years of stupid they try to blame it on everyone else but themselves.
Then all the victims that payed the fake high prices, believe the people that ripped them off.
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The only thing a patent gives you is the right to sue someone.
But that only is useful if you have deeper pockets than 'the someone', or they just keep dragging you into court until you are bankrupt. Fast.
Jan
My understanding is that rare earth metals are not that rare, but are instead thinly spread over large areas, making the harvesting of them problematic. They might just as well be scarce, then, if getting them is so difficult.
The final processing is too expensive because it is over regulated.
The mine owners sold it to you know who to be processed.
So when it is time to come back processed.
If they decide to not give it back = it doesn't come back.
Again they have done this multiple times for 30 years.
Other states will be taking over.
They wont over regulate
The resource is abundant and has declined in value, because it is abundant.
The mine owners sold it to you know who to be processed.
So when it is time to come back processed.
If they decide to not give it back = it doesn't come back.
Again they have done this multiple times for 30 years.
Other states will be taking over.
They wont over regulate
The resource is abundant and has declined in value, because it is abundant.
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Fully agree, w.r.t. pollution that effects the air, I think it will effect globally, it seems localized as the places that are dusty and polluted are generating the dust n pollution day in - day out.
However what goes into the air - will finally be diluted in the entire atmosphere - taking into consideration the complex movement of lower earth and upper earth movement, Coriolis force and other effects as monsoons , el nino etc - mixing air.
Ground / water / river pollution would be localized.
Pretending Green - only goes as far as ones eye can see.
As others have said, not rare, but sparse. From one article ,"Chu and Serpell have observed that the ratio of REE product to waste is about 0.0005, or 2000 tons of solid waste per ton of total recovered REE." A concentration of .05% in a "good" mine is about 10X smaller than say copper which runs around .6%. This is from https://link.springer.com/article/10.1557/s43577-022-00288-4 which has a pretty good overview of the chemical/mechanical processes involved in the separation of REE's. Pretty interesting read. I find almost everything these days is very complex.
Good link , seems like wastage is huge unless the waste can be used down stream, clay in cement making, stones etc for construction. Th for power plants. and the chemicals used further processed to something useful.
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polymetallic nodules in deep sea is another source - however there is a study that they emit oxygen in deep sea that several deep sea marine creatures and ecosystems are dependent on by hydrolysis as surface oxygen does not reach deep sea.
This is a misnomer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanthanide
China's got loads of them. Australia's got loads of them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanthanide
China's got loads of them. Australia's got loads of them.
Yes because magnets are "stored energy" while EM needs to be power fed...
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Induction motors don’t actually have “electromagnets”, that is their greatest advantage. I wonder when all this hubbub over good permanent magnets will force an industry wide switch back to variable frequency drives, and “the hell with BLDC”. You really need class D amplifier to run the things, and those have come a long way. Fidelity isn’t important, and it can all be geared toward efficiency.
No rare earth high power permanent magnets. https://www.nironmagnetics.com/ They are scaling their factory as soon as possible. Invented by a Chinese phd who is staying here.
That IS one of the methods that IP gets transferred. It will leak, and we’ll be right back where we started.
I searched a bit on the niron magnets. Pretty sparse. They did compare it more to AlNiCo than to rare earth at this time. I believe because the AlNiCo is more resistant to high temp as is the niron while the neo magnets get into issues at high temps. Their current application seems to be speakers. There was an audioXpress blurb about them. I'm thinking not going to be the answer everyone is hoping for with regard to replacing rare earths. Tesla switched off the electro-magnet style motor that used no magnets because of efficiency. Efficiency is king in auto as it directly affects range.
An induction motor is much like a transformer in which the secondary winding spins.
Actually they do, the stator is electromagnet with all the windings to create a rotating field. The rotor is a simple ‘squirrel cage’ with iron bars. that get the induced torque. This is the greatest advantage and also can be done cheaply and no short supply of raw materials.
For EVs however, this torque from induction type motor is not that great for pulling and losses in the rotor. so the use of strong neo mags in the rotor itself to create something better re: video. But neo mags from rare earth supply issues …
After seeing the video I wondered if the improvements have found their way to electromotors in other applications too.
Looks like neo mags also made it to household appliances like washing machines etc.These type of motors are much smaller also so can see the reason for wider adoption