That depends mostly on the design of the loudspeaker system, not on the naked driver.
You'll need some proper technical criteria or you'll risk becoming part of the "pagan cult" you mentioned. 😉
I'm a strict adherent of the ultra minimal low mass open baffle electrostatic and high efficiency cult when it comes to speakers........ and trust my ears quite a bit at this point. I've got my woofers in enclosures and have lots of horns to test compression drivers with. I'm using a Sublime Acoustic K231 with more crossover cards than I know what to do with. I recommend the K231 highly as it changed the game for me by enabling immediate experimentation of any and every driver configuration imaginable.
Hi, example of thinking with context to determine whether the information is meaningful:
So a standard electrical crossover? which means acoustic response per driver varies if the electrical filters are not adjusted to match acoustic response. This would mean the the list has very little value for anyone who intents to equalize response (actively or passively) of a driver in their own system. If one would equalize responses I bet the list would have 90% drivers into the good category.
On the other hand, I have 8pr155 mids which have obnoxious +10db cone resonance, very distinquisgable sound, unless equalized after which it's fine. So it would rank into trash category without equalization, and into good category after equalizing the response to a system. This suggests milezone has been equalizing the responses, which contradicts the filter used as only DSP would equalize close ebough. Or the ranking basis is different what I think means good. So, I do not understand the context and basis for the list as it's contradicting to personal experience, so it's meaningless to me at this point because I cannot relate my experiences to it.
So a standard electrical crossover? which means acoustic response per driver varies if the electrical filters are not adjusted to match acoustic response. This would mean the the list has very little value for anyone who intents to equalize response (actively or passively) of a driver in their own system. If one would equalize responses I bet the list would have 90% drivers into the good category.
On the other hand, I have 8pr155 mids which have obnoxious +10db cone resonance, very distinquisgable sound, unless equalized after which it's fine. So it would rank into trash category without equalization, and into good category after equalizing the response to a system. This suggests milezone has been equalizing the responses, which contradicts the filter used as only DSP would equalize close ebough. Or the ranking basis is different what I think means good. So, I do not understand the context and basis for the list as it's contradicting to personal experience, so it's meaningless to me at this point because I cannot relate my experiences to it.
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What is your testing methodology? Everything you’ve said so far is pretty vague. Please be very specific.
I've used many of these drivers, or derivatives of them, in commercial designs and would rank them very differently. You are ranking them by your ability to correctly select and implement each driver, nothing more or less.
Visaton lists this driver as "fullrange", by the way. It's a low sensitivity 280 Fs low power miniature driver, probably quite usable as low spl mid-tweeter.
+1 on methodology please. Not arguing with personal preference, but I'd be interested to know what the technical performance and criteria are, how the measurements and other testing were performed etc.
IIRC he doesn't even use EQ on drivers with CD horns for his comparisons. There comes his impression of a nasal quality of a HF1440 from for instance.....
Regards
Charles
Regards
Charles
Hi Milezone,
Do you remember how high you cuted off the 22TAF/G, please (I have that one).
Where do you rank your tweeter wavecore that worked with the 18THSound 6" ?.
IIRC you are an electric guitar player, most of the test made with according music or ?
Thanks, I personnaly like subjective ranking as well, one has always something to grab here.
cheers,
Do you remember how high you cuted off the 22TAF/G, please (I have that one).
Where do you rank your tweeter wavecore that worked with the 18THSound 6" ?.
IIRC you are an electric guitar player, most of the test made with according music or ?
Thanks, I personnaly like subjective ranking as well, one has always something to grab here.
cheers,
I use 24db per octave filters with the k231. No equalization aside from per channel gain adjustment on the crossover and also the Boxem and Topping amps that I use. No digital measurements performed. I intend to do a minimal amount of that eventually. Im for simplicity and proper design. There are drivers like the B100 that exemplify these qualities. Minimal inherent resonance and robustness are characteristics I’ve tested for.
Much of my explorations were a preliminary investigation into speaker design and also the state of the market as it relates to driver quality. The Visaton B100 is more robust than the B200 for example. Yet depending on the application both drivers can be equally performative. The Fostex F206NV2 as a random example is better than the 8PR150 in all regards. Why select the 8PR150 or anything like it I do not know.
For the luddites, cum grano salis. Speaker drivers are speaker drivers. The categorization into frequency range is a bit of an obfuscation of a more logical perspective. In that as excursion is reduced due to an increased specified crossover frequency a full range driver like the BF32 can function as a tweeter at farther listening distances. Similarly as gain is reduced, likely to inaudible levels in many instances, a tweeter can function as a subwoofer.
I play guitar though I don’t associate with the culture which I find limited and limiting. The infusion of agro locker room football competitiveness with the musical experience is unappealing.
Full range drivers tend to be superior as mid drivers in my explorations. Dedicated hifi mid drivers can often be over damped and also anemic. Optimizing for micro detail retrieval at all frequencies is the goal. Foregoing driver damping and avoiding heavy cones yields superior outcomes even if it necessitates implementing higher crossover frequencies, which it does not necessitate…
Speaker drivers are very basic devices. Some of the goal for myself is to dispel the hype. I hope you all enjoy my list.
Much of my explorations were a preliminary investigation into speaker design and also the state of the market as it relates to driver quality. The Visaton B100 is more robust than the B200 for example. Yet depending on the application both drivers can be equally performative. The Fostex F206NV2 as a random example is better than the 8PR150 in all regards. Why select the 8PR150 or anything like it I do not know.
For the luddites, cum grano salis. Speaker drivers are speaker drivers. The categorization into frequency range is a bit of an obfuscation of a more logical perspective. In that as excursion is reduced due to an increased specified crossover frequency a full range driver like the BF32 can function as a tweeter at farther listening distances. Similarly as gain is reduced, likely to inaudible levels in many instances, a tweeter can function as a subwoofer.
I play guitar though I don’t associate with the culture which I find limited and limiting. The infusion of agro locker room football competitiveness with the musical experience is unappealing.
Full range drivers tend to be superior as mid drivers in my explorations. Dedicated hifi mid drivers can often be over damped and also anemic. Optimizing for micro detail retrieval at all frequencies is the goal. Foregoing driver damping and avoiding heavy cones yields superior outcomes even if it necessitates implementing higher crossover frequencies, which it does not necessitate…
Speaker drivers are very basic devices. Some of the goal for myself is to dispel the hype. I hope you all enjoy my list.
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For the Seas tweeter 1800hz. I don’t recall testing a wavecore tweeter though maybe I mentioned interest in testing it in a previous thread, which I hope to do as the coaxial one that I recall seems interesting.
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It is possible I mix you with a countryfellow of you I have talked in PM about the 6" 18thSound with his strange surround à la Purifi (at least Purifi copied it) and a wavecore horned tweeter. Sorry for the confusion.
