Are there any excellent inexpensive Chinese DACs?

What exactly makes this a "no real DIY audio player"?
1. Please tell me where I can buy the DIY kit or PCBs.

2.Does it have an M2 or SATA SSD slot?

3.Is there a nice to handle app to control it?

It is nice that one has the ability but what is in it for the members? That is what it is about. If there is something that resembles a project there is no clear line to follow. Many could be’s and if’s. Terrible threads hardly invitating the average builder.
 
Last edited:
Well as known I have no desire but I think it is definitely not meant like you write.

Quote from forum rules:
diyAudio is a place for all members of the DIY audio community to learn, share knowledge, and enjoy interacting with others interested in the design and construction of audio components.

Not wanting to repeat but the average level of many DIYers is not up to par for such projects to design, build and construct 100% themselves. Probably there is not even a wish except for the wish for reproducibility and a good final result and this within certain boundaries.

It may help to look at the other sectors here and see the average DIY project.

BTW you forgot to reply on the previous post.
 
Last edited:
So what is added in DIY process when you buy e.g. a Topping DAC?

The DAC is merely a "component" (yet a necessary one) for the overall system that I am trying to create. It's just like any other component in my view. I really could care less about DIYing amplifiers, DACs, or computers, so I just buy them and integrate them into my projects. It is the OTHER aspects or parts of the system that I "DIY".

It's like if someone were to design and build their own amplifier (and DAC?) yet buy a commercial loudspeaker pair. You DIY one part of the playback chain and I DIY another.
 
  • Like
Reactions: rebone
Exactly. Not everyone is in the spectrum and busy with every possible detail and the details of that detail, the protocols, the exceptions only occurring in very rare situations, the internal working of ICs, knowing all possible details of all IC’s, measurement equipment specifically to measure the equipment etc.

All good but some are just more interested in the sum of totals and like to play a good album on a device they just had the ability to make/reproduce/modify/buy.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Radian
1. Please tell me where I can buy the DIY kit or PCBs.

2.Does it have an M2 or SATA SSD slot?

3.Is there a nice to handle app to control it?

It is nice that one has the ability but what is in it for the members? That is what it is about.
jean-paul
You really move the goal posts.
There are 0 real DIY audio players. What is available are clickable PCBs like RPi. No one objects. Practically everyone buys one ready made and possibly a diyaudio.com external DIY project DAC (WHICH ONE?) or ChiFi DAC is added.
You might be better off if you paid due respect to the (true) few members that scratch their head, design, test and build (digital as well) stuff which they present to the rest of us here.
And please don't ask who are they. You do spend time in this forum.
George
 
The DAC is merely a "component" (yet a necessary one) for the overall system that I am trying to create. It's just like any other component in my view. I really could care less about DIYing amplifiers, DACs, or computers, so I just buy them and integrate them into my projects. It is the OTHER aspects or parts of the system that I "DIY".
How is that then different from the thousands of average-Joes who go into audio shops and buy a DAC? I'm sure they don't call that purchase a "DIY process".
 
I disagree with the fundamental premise that Chinese DACs are better value. Some may be, but not as a blanket statement. I bought a Topping D50S DAC for my desktop system, based on its pristine measurements. Compared to my other budget DACs (Schiit Modi 3 & Modius, iFi nano iOne), the sound was boring and music was uninvolving (poor PRaT). I returned it for a refund.

Based on the OP's stated sound preference, I believe a Schiit Bifrost 2 would be most satisfactory. Although it bumps the price a bit, the modular design ensures a longer life.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: stretchneck
jean-paul
You really move the goal posts.

You might be better off if you paid due respect to the (true) few members that scratch their head, design, test and build (digital as well) stuff which they present to the rest of us here.
And please don't ask who are they. You do spend time in this forum.
George
Well I don’t as it sometimes seems more an intellectual show off. Nice that one can but nothing is shared except words. No one needs to pay respect to words. We can learn from other sectors where projects are shared for members to reproduce/build with humor and even good support. I see you don’t think I am a true member but at least I did share a DIY DAC project for others to build, George.

Todays DAC threads very often are a 2 person derailing discussion with nothing to really build 😃

 
Last edited:
How is that then different from the thousands of average-Joes who go into audio shops and buy a DAC? I'm sure they don't call that purchase a "DIY process".
I never said that buying the DAC was a DIY process! When you buy a capacitor, is that a DIY process? No. It is only when you use that component, integrate it, into something that you create that it becomes "DIY". I build entire systems from basically the "preamp" stage of the playback chain all the way through and including the loudspeaker. Some parts of the chain I want (and like to) DIY, and then some parts I don't. You can be sure that a DAC is in the "I don't" category for me. It's just a "component" that performs a role in the overall project that I just get "off the shelf". IMO it is only the level of integration and sophistication that differentiates a DAC from a resistor, capacitor, transducer, op-amp, etc. I don't see how I could be more clear about this point...
 
  • Like
Reactions: ErikdeBest
This being diy audio I don't see anything in the Gustard A26 that can't be done on a cheap Chinese board of lets say $150.
jean-paul
You really move the goal posts.

You might be better off if you paid due respect to the (true) few members that scratch their head, design, test and build (digital as well) stuff which they present to the rest of us here.
And please don't ask who are they. You do spend time in this forum.
George
I think we all have respect for the inventers and designers here that present their work to the public.
For most of us here it is more feasible to start with a reasonable priced bare board or ready made DAC and substitute the underperforming parts like regulators, opamps ect. with what we deem respectable and keep tinkering till we reach our desired goal.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Turbowatch2
Maybe not but have a look around you and see many don’t even know how to connect such stuff. Once had a young couple looking for a cable to connect their phone to the phono inputs of an amplifier. Bragging about ones own high level and skills won’t attract new young DIYers that’s for sure. Projects they can actually build maybe will attract. If we want a future for no DIY/half DIY/full DIY digital audio that is.

Example: here many kids don’t choose technical education. The government started a campaign with CAD/CAM, drones etc. in the campaign video. No positive effect. It turned out the youngsters were intimidated and thought they’d never reach such a level 🙂

BTW as you’re a lighting example and furious defender of how things should be done please show us your fully DIYed chain. Yes, also the DAC!
 
Last edited:
I do currently use a pair of SMSL SU-1 that I changed a bit and one of the power amps come from Audiophonics but I didn't seek guidance or discuss any aspects of these 2 commercial purchases here... deliberately.

But thats not the pointI'm trying to make at all - you may of course own and use what ever you like... it's some of the non DIY topics here I'm worried and a bit annoyed about.

//
 
I do currently use a pair of SMSL SU-1 that I changed a bit and one of the power amps come from Audiophonics but I didn't seek guidance or discuss any aspects of these 2 commercial purchases here... deliberately.

But thats not the pointI'm trying to make at all - you may of course own and use what ever you like... it's some of the non DIY topics here I'm worried and a bit annoyed about.

//
You quite obviously don’t seem to practice what you preach but that is OK 😀

What about deliberately showing what you did to your non-DIY SMSL SU-1? Maybe other members also have the ready made cheap chinese SU-1 and can they improve their non-DIY SU-1 with your shared information. Making stuff better together in the old DIY spirit. Sharing, enjoying, love & peace.

Maybe alexIG, the OP, is helped too. The SU-1 fits the bill and he has one (calls it U-1) but does not like it so opportunities & potential possibly exactly offered by your very modifications. Cheap, chinese, very good and … OP was not asking for a DIY DAC either 😉 Full circle!
 
Last edited: