I have data for the MAC-05 and am currently using it in a small 2-way that I took to InDIYana in April and CSS Detroit a few weeks ago. I'll send you a message regarding data and other details.That tweeter looks very nice.
Have you tested that MAC-05? Could you share that data with me? I guess same if you've tested the GRS as well
It's less tall 😎 The squat shape usually makes it easier to get tweeter and mirange at ear height when on a mixing console/desk (usually elevated vs your bum). If you don't have this advantage on your desk area, then normal vertical alignment is fine.This is exactly what I was thinking but with the woofer below instead of off to the one side.
What is the advantage to having it off to the side?
Oh, I know this one is probably outside your budget but it's a neat way to save on height and get very good close distance of tweeter to mid dome:
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-2-midrange/morel-tm4055-8-tweeter-midrange/ I thought about using it for TV speakers in a 3 way of that SCM25 shape.
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Do they use Sigma Studio?Yes, these are my boards, I built myself an active 3 way stereo system on similar boards, and I liked the end result so much that I decided not to leave the DIY community without such a convenient circuit solution.
Once you get into the DSP topic you will feel its flexibility and versatility. I believe that after getting acquainted with the capabilities of DSP you will not want to go back to passive filters in three-way speakers.
Do you need one for each channel? Or does one board have 6 outputs?
The only way I could do side by side is if I placed them above my monitors (there are 3) and pointed them downwards. I feel like this is a bad ideaIt's less tall 😎 The squat shape usually makes it easier to get tweeter and mirange at ear height when on a mixing console/desk (usually elevated vs your bum). If you don't have this advantage on your desk area, then normal vertical alignment is fine.
Oh, I know this one is probably outside your budget but it's a neat way to save on height and get very good close distance of tweeter to mid dome:
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-2-midrange/morel-tm4055-8-tweeter-midrange/ I thought about using it for TV speakers in a 3 way of that SCM25 shape.
I have looked at those Morels sooooooo many times.
@Bmsluite, here's my near field listening little auditorium...
View from the listening position. Distance is circa 2.50m :
The listening position sofa is at the lower right below (you see its armrest) :
Below with larger 4-ways added :
So as you can see above, using quite large speakers is not a problem, if you ever think about it... Smaller speakers are also fine too :
This is the magic of the near-field listening, with one limit though : the loudness, which must stay moderate to medium, you guessed it.
T
View from the listening position. Distance is circa 2.50m :

The listening position sofa is at the lower right below (you see its armrest) :

Below with larger 4-ways added :
So as you can see above, using quite large speakers is not a problem, if you ever think about it... Smaller speakers are also fine too :

This is the magic of the near-field listening, with one limit though : the loudness, which must stay moderate to medium, you guessed it.
T
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The better smaller full ranges?…….yes. The issue they suffer from is poor off axis response higher in frequency so they’re really only suited for either near field listening or a well treated room. Next is asking them to play midbass…..the moving cone sucks the resolution out of three high frequency…..add a support woofer and things get better….much better.The hybrid with a small full range for the highs is an interesting idea. Will that be able to get the same detail as a traditional soft dome tweeter?
Yes.Do they use Sigma Studio?
One board has three amplification channels, each channel has its own power PWM DAC 100W at 4 Ohm, and one DSP that feeds data to these three power DACs. The power DAC has local feedback on the PWM signal, which achieves a low level of noise and distortion compared to similar solutions.Do you need one for each channel?
For stereo, you will need two such boards. I want to draw your attention to the fact that the analog signal is present only at the output of the PWM DAC, this module has no problems with background and everything related to low-signal analog signals.
In the first post of this topic, a structural diagram of this board is drawn. Below are examples of projects for this board in Sigma Studio.
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/3-way-dsp-amp.415065/#post-7734938
My living room is about this size. According to this, all of my lsitneing is near field.@Bmsluite, here's my near field listening little auditorium...
View from the listening position. Distance is circa 2.50m :
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The listening position sofa is at the lower right below (you see its armrest) :
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Below with larger 4-ways added :
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So as you can see above, using quite large speakers is not a problem, if you ever think about it... Smaller speakers are also fine too :
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This is the magic of the near-field listening, with one limit though : the loudness, which must stay moderate to medium, you guessed it.
T
I consider near field less than 3 feet between drivers and your head
I tried wrapping my last build in alcantara for this reason. Well, and for looks. It did not go as planned. It was to hard too cut cleanly@Bmsluite
its black felt 1mm thick. Dampens the front - lowering reflections.
This is a quite audible effect.
How about small speakers with slam!
Update (5/21/2020): My Plans for XKi W5-2143 here.
Update (4/17/2019): xrk971's W5-2143 XKi (more info here):
Videos here: https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ful...tio-karlson-6th-bandpass-127.html#post6689070
XKi W5-2143 basic design here.. It is very important to follow all the instructions in previous link showing internal build details regarding use of melamine foam damping pads...
Update (4/17/2019): xrk971's W5-2143 XKi (more info here):
Videos here: https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ful...tio-karlson-6th-bandpass-127.html#post6689070
XKi W5-2143 basic design here.. It is very important to follow all the instructions in previous link showing internal build details regarding use of melamine foam damping pads...
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Retsel,
I have those in my shop pool room already. They are incredible. I have them in a box with two 8" ports and they do slam.
What's with the curved plate in from of them?
I have those in my shop pool room already. They are incredible. I have them in a box with two 8" ports and they do slam.
What's with the curved plate in from of them?
Excellent Idea actually! 3 way is perfect for nearfield. I used a Pioneer 3 way ( large but worked) and a Altec 3 way ( soft dome tweet, was marvelous)3 way - tweeter, mid dome, woofer
- I do think a mid dome would be good for near field as they are supposed to be very delicate sounding and are all quite low power
- This requires a 3 way crossover so a bit more money on the XO
- Most dome mids seem to have issues unless you drop a lot of cash (considering dayton's fabric dome here)
- I don't know if a 3 way is worth it for near field
- The box size required for a woofer that would hit low enough to have a mid dome make sense might defeat the purpose
On my desktop for music and video editing for years.
Thinking now it is exactly what I want on my desk is a small dome mid, combined with very close small tweeter.
I always had 12" or 8" woofers in the past. So this time will be modern 7" woofer for bass vs size balance.
I have used under desk " subs" but refuse to deal with that nonsense now.
Decided on a fabric dome tweet from Dayton as well, and actually this thread inspired me to finally finish the crossover design last night.
Will do a full thread soon. But just a quick peek at some early design concepts for the fabric dome setup.




Try to beat this
Back at the office.... Axia each in washbasin over simple wooden cube with latex pillow inside. Total immersive realism; free to rock office chair. Could go on desk if secured to frame etc. (Bottom pics show pulled-out drawers to simulate desktop; how I'm listening near-field right now can't stop.) Arrange...Well it's past midnight here and I haven't stopped listening to music except for dinner. The Bouncer is insanely palpably holographically realistic. LX is quite good for relaxed listening. All without tweaking XO.
I need to unearth the 45L cabs and enlarge the holes.
My living room is about this size. According to this, all of my lsitneing is near field.
I consider near field less than 3 feet between drivers and your head
IIRC, I read somewhere (but where ?) that the limit of near-field and far-field distance could be 3x the largest dimension of the loudspeaker enclosure...
But here in France, we usually consider that when you are located at less than 3 meters of your enclosures, you are entering in the near field.
T
There is the room nearfield, the cabinet nearfield, the crossover integration nearfield, the driver nearfield etc, etc.. These things are different, and can be defined and measured.
Awesome, this is similar to what I'm leaning towards.Excellent Idea actually! 3 way is perfect for nearfield. I used a Pioneer 3 way ( large but worked) and a Altec 3 way ( soft dome tweet, was marvelous)
On my desktop for music and video editing for years.
Thinking now it is exactly what I want on my desk is a small dome mid, combined with very close small tweeter.
I always had 12" or 8" woofers in the past. So this time will be modern 7" woofer for bass vs size balance.
I have used under desk " subs" but refuse to deal with that nonsense now.
Decided on a fabric dome tweet from Dayton as well, and actually this thread inspired me to finally finish the crossover design last night.
Will do a full thread soon. But just a quick peek at some early design concepts for the fabric dome setup.
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How did that Dayton fabric measure out? That is the one at the the top of my list right now.
I'm either going to do a dome mid 3 way orrrrr.... I'm going to try to figure how to implement the GRS 8" mid planar. That will be a challenge but it entirely doable.
Allen,
I had not heard of any of those differences until now. I will have to educate myself. I suppose I've been using the term "nearfield" this entire time
I had not heard of any of those differences until now. I will have to educate myself. I suppose I've been using the term "nearfield" this entire time
At my desk is less than a meter sbf my living room the distance between my ears and the drivers are around 2600mmIIRC, I read somewhere (but where ?) that the limit of near-field and far-field distance could be 3x the largest dimension of the loudspeaker enclosure...
But here in France, we usually consider that when you are located at less than 3 meters of your enclosures, you are entering in the near field.
T
Challenge acceptedTry to beat this
Back at the office.... Axia each in washbasin over simple wooden cube with latex pillow inside. Total immersive realism; free to rock office chair. Could go on desk if secured to frame etc. (Bottom pics show pulled-out drawers to simulate desktop; how I'm listening near-field right now can't stop.) Arrange...Well it's past midnight here and I haven't stopped listening to music except for dinner. The Bouncer is insanely palpably holographically realistic. LX is quite good for relaxed listening. All without tweaking XO.
I need to unearth the 45L cabs and enlarge the holes.
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