I pick efficient and as low as possible, under 200 liters pr. box.Hofmann's iron law: low, efficient, small, pick two.
Interesting concept. I haven't come by this one before. In the SB1000z you posted in #57, the drivers seem to be mounted close to the mouth of the OD horn and with the magnets in the chamber. Do you have an example of this venturi port driver concept?The driver volume reduces the port's center volume, creating a "venturi port" in the slot/offset horn.
BIC speakers used what they patented as a "venturi port" sometime in the 1970s or 1980s, they still use it, though too small to put a speaker in.
I pick efficient and as low as possible, under 200 liters pr. box.
Efficient and low = >300L.
What F3 do you want?
What dB do you want at 2.83 volts?
Are there any ‘benefits’ to having the driver ‘in’ the port? (I say this while having two dozen tapped TQWT s and still don’t really ‘know’)
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Are there any ‘benefits’ to having the driver ‘in’ the port?
Cooling / Heat Transfer / Less Complexity to Build / Easier to Assembly / No removable panel
You can choose your option.
Hofmann's iron law: low, efficient, small, pick two.
Since you pick a small chamber, the lower tune only exceeds 10% efficiency from 50-60Hz, while the higher tune exceeds 10% efficiency 55-70Hz.
Similar to a Cubo, or the mid 1980s EV SH-1810L-ER, seems too much of the small box is given up to the offset horn, sacrificing low end for mid-bass efficiency.
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You get to choose the efficiency ratio between the ranges.
It may be modeled like that, though what I described is an offset horn sharing the bass reflex port, making the volume occupied by the driver available to the bass reflex chamber.
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The driver volume reduces the port's center volume, creating a "venturi port" in the slot/offset horn.
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I would dearly like to know how to model this alignment. Is it a tapped horn? Bill Fitzmaurice has a similar design (his Omni 12 and 15), and they certainly pump out some low end. There have also been some commercial bass guitar cabinets that have a tapped reflex port, which by all accounts sound very big for their size.
Whenever I model them as a tapped horn, they model like absolute rubbish. Perhaps I am doing something wrong.
I would dearly like to know how to model this alignment
It's a simple Band Pass 6th order Series or Tapped Horn.
Check the models below:
BP6S2
https://freeloudspeakerplan.rf.gd/pages/bp6s2.htm
TH-T18
https://freeloudspeakerplan.rf.gd/pages/th-t18.htm
Besides all those names, It's just about defining pipe length between the two chambers and adding flare or not in the pipe/chamber.
Sometimes people just create a layout of the same thing and give it a different name. In the core it's the same thing, different layouts help to better achieve different ratios from each parameter witch at the end can benefit some drivers to improve the output performance.
Port noise and motor/suspension noise altogether in one disaster ?
Looks like the port is big enough for the driver to fit in, so, port noise will probably not be a problem for this layout, motor / suspension noise, you need to consider at what driver displacement, lets consider Xmax, in that situation what would be the output SPL from the box? If they are 12dB different or higher in the same frequency range, it may not be a problem also, driver is also orthogonal to the port.
it doesn't look as a disaster for this particular case.
Booger....I told you to quit the LSD!!!Booger welz: Port noise and motor/suspension noise altogether in one disaster ?
(At least when you post here!!)
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Milk at the same time? 😝
Milk at the same time? 😝
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Are there any ‘benefits’ to having the driver ‘in’ the port? (I say this while having two dozen tapped TQWT s and still don’t really ‘know’)
What do you think a Tapped Horn is?
The whole enclosure is the port, from throat to mouth.
I was hoping for ‘increased cone control and SPL/magic/etc’. 🙈
How about less cone movement per a given voltage vs sealed and BR enclosures.
Lower distortion is your magic.
Combining the front and back wave of the driver is your SPL.
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I would dearly like to know how to model this alignment. Is it a tapped horn? Bill Fitzmaurice has a similar design (his Omni 12 and 15), and they certainly pump out some low end. There have also been some commercial bass guitar cabinets that have a tapped reflex port, which by all accounts sound very big for their size.
Whenever I model them as a tapped horn, they model like absolute rubbish. Perhaps I am doing something wrong.
It's just a BP6S or a straight flare TH with a compression chamber.
Port noise and motor/suspension noise altogether in one disaster ?
That's the issue with sealed and BR enclosures.
Can we Prove this?How about less cone movement per a given voltage vs sealed and BR enclosures.
Lower distortion is your magic.
Combining the front and back wave of the driver is your SPL.
No it’s not, It’s a qw resonator.What do you think a Tapped Horn is?
The whole enclosure is the port, from throat to mouth.
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Can we Prove this?
Go to data-bass.com. There is plenty of proof there.
You like to create sawdust. Build a sealed, BR, and BP enclosures with the same F3 and driver. Measure them and then there's your proof #2.
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