A lot of those environments use monitors from the likes of Genelec, who use ported boxes for most of their products.
Ported boxes are a compromise between increased output, and time domain "problems" which are an order of magnitude smaller than those the room will add. High distortion and/or early limiting is obvious and problematic in every acoustic environment, so I can see why they've chosen to use ported boxes.
What I can't understand, however, is your bludgeoning insistance that sealed boxes are better than all other cabinets, when cost/output/distortion (ie, where sealed boxes tend to do fare poorly) are worthwhile considerations in any design.
Chris
Thats great Chris, I am happy with your lack of understanding "What I can't understand..." 😉
Genelec monitors (and numerous clones) are the "Tesco value packs" of monitors.
Genelec monitors (and numerous clones) are the "Tesco value packs" of monitors.
This will be an awesome cinema system, congratulations!
One question: Does your Denon AVC A1H have Auro 3D software?
If it does and you can place the "Voice of God" (VOD) rear top height speaker above your listening area, I have found the results to be stunning.... Noticeably more believable than any Dolby / DTS software processing when using an 11 .2 or 11.4 speaker set up.
If this: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...s/genelec-8361a-review-powered-monitor.28039/
Counts as "Tesco value pack", then I'd be interested to see some measurements of what you consider high-end speakers.
Chris
Thanks!
Yes we use it every day as it's located in the living room.
I made a ceiling with 6 Atmos speakers and a cove in the middle with absorption panels so it's too late to install additional speakers. I'm actually really satisfied with the result.
Yes we use it every day as it's located in the living room.
No problem, i understood 😁
I made a ceiling with 6 Atmos speakers and a cove in the middle with absorption panels so it's too late to install additional speakers. I'm actually really satisfied with the result.
Sorry to go off topic, but then again this is important and worth a mini rant... An interesting fact about Genelec and their "Low value packs" 😉
A few years after they started in 1985, Genelec started investing heavily in marketing, but they did not run many magazine adverts (no internet back then) instead they invested 12% of revenue (over 20% today) in a stroke of genius "vested interest" campaign.
They have donated $millions of worth speakers (this costs Genelec ZERO as the BOM is less than 10% of the retail "value" and the amount is 100% tax deductable) to the top educational / research and independent professional sound training facilities... So from teenage to any age, if you are studying sound almost anywhere of note, then Genelec dominate the studios by simply giving away their products and "sponsoring research".
This gets the entire industry used to "the Genelec sound" (for better or worse!) and creates strong brand loyalty and a subconscious belief that if the brand was used by school / collage / university / AES then it must be good... They actually admit to giving sales commission to the AES https://aes2.org/news/genelec-supports-aes-with-new-raw-the-ones-series-proceeds-pledge/
Calling bribes "supporting"... Genius!
Some recent examples of Genelec's market acquisition by stealth...
2019 https://www.genelec.com/-/university-of-surrey-guildford
2022 https://www.avinteractive.com/news/genelec-surrey-uni-16-07-2013/ Genelec marketing BS.
2024 https://www.genelec.com/-/press/gen...-collaborative-learning-at-tilburg-university
More 2024 https://sound.risd.edu/
They want to sell this stuff, even as a loss leader https://www.genelec.com/education so they give it away out the back door... Genius!
Many other "value pack" manufactures have now copied Genelec, but Genelec now have achieved "Critical Mass" ie The entire professional studio / recording / live sound and acoustic educational system has been brought up for the last 35 years believing Genelec's BS... So many engineers just automatically use Genelec because "everyone does"... Genelec really are the "Pied Piper" of audio... Genius!
Everyones expectations vary and as long as we respect each others choices this forum remains an awesome place to share experiences
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Alex,
You haven't really addressed my post. If Genelec aren't good speakers, show us some measurements of something better than the one I linked.
Chris
Yes but if there is no respect the forum cops are around and delete , sanction or punish the offender(s)
I wasn't thinking about punishment. Just sending a positive message 😉
And I just can't imagine cramming a higher count surround system in my living room than 7.4.6
And I just can't imagine cramming a higher count surround system in my living room than 7.4.6
For me I have found the most difficult compromise is finding floor area for the size / number of sub woofers I need to give me the bass I want.
To meet my personal SPL / distortion / 3D performance levels in home cinema I need 4 way ie subs below 60Hz / 80Hz plus three way active / tri amped above that for FL / FR and centre.
All the surround / effect channels can be small 10 litre cabinets.
I only use sealed box (or open baffle for the mid and top in a dedicated two channel rig) so all my mid and top speakers only require small / light easy to locate cabinets.
To meet my personal SPL / distortion / 3D performance levels in home cinema I need 4 way ie subs below 60Hz / 80Hz plus three way active / tri amped above that for FL / FR and centre.
All the surround / effect channels can be small 10 litre cabinets.
I only use sealed box (or open baffle for the mid and top in a dedicated two channel rig) so all my mid and top speakers only require small / light easy to locate cabinets.
My final plan is to hide all DIY speakers in-wall so you'll only see the TV. The rear subs are hidden behind and under the seats in a riser.
I understand that "you dont understand" and as I said, I am happy with that. So with all due respect, do your own homework. 😉
Hello sir. I am intersted in this theory.. I have um18s and sb rosso sw800 21 2of each.. um18s in 115L boxes and rosso 21s in 150L boxes and they both sound awful above 40hz and they need alot of power. I was thinking of putting them in 300L sealed boxes fully stuffed with light wool to kill the power handling and smooth out the bass.. What do you think? they both have a high Qtc .7 and strong BL
Please elaborate us! We want to understand what is BS (you said) about Genelec monitors technically.
I think commercial Dolby Atmos goes like 24.1.10.
Guys were running multiple AVR's to get past the old standard of 7.1.4 DA.
There is no such thing as x.4.x DA. There are AVR's that have 4 separate subwoofer outputs, but there is only 1 LFE channel in Dolby Atmos.