I used to think they had a couple models that were tempting but the paint is peeling off now?
And that is on top of the lack of a simple transponder key leading to people's cars being stolen over and over. And don't even get me started on the 'fix' for the brake fluid leaking on a wiring harness being putting a lower rated fuse in so it will blow before the wiring harness catches fire. Shouldn't the leaking part be replaced?
And that is on top of the lack of a simple transponder key leading to people's cars being stolen over and over. And don't even get me started on the 'fix' for the brake fluid leaking on a wiring harness being putting a lower rated fuse in so it will blow before the wiring harness catches fire. Shouldn't the leaking part be replaced?
Wouldn't touch either with a ten foot pole. I can't say I've ever seen the peeling paint issue though.
Kia's with the 2.0 & 2.4 litre GDI engines are notorious for excessive oil consumption. Many will eventually fail, and just beyond the warranty period. There was even a class action law suit in Canada.
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Kia's with the 2.0 & 2.4 litre GDI engines are notorious for excessive oil consumption. Many will eventually fail, and just beyond the warranty period. There was even a class action law suit in Canada.
jeff
I always thought that that paint problem was sorted after British built Fords did it in the 1970s.
There was a lot more problems with UK Fords at that time that the paint problem was trivial.
There was a lot more problems with UK Fords at that time that the paint problem was trivial.
I forgot about the common engine issue.
I remember some having paint issues in the 80's, I think it was GM with the paint not sticking real well. But even that didn't seem like it just peeled off in sheets.
I remember some having paint issues in the 80's, I think it was GM with the paint not sticking real well. But even that didn't seem like it just peeled off in sheets.
The Honda Civics were having a similar problem around 2009 onwards, and the 2022 models began to display the same paint problems again. Sometimes it was just clear coat flaking, but on others it was large sections of paint.
Had a Kia Rio 1.1 liter 3 cilinder Diesel or CRDI "Edition 7" for years. We called it Ria Kio as it looked like a girl with too much make up. Racing stripes, lowered suspension, large wheels etc. on a tiny 55 kW/75 HP 3 cilinder.
No problems with paint. No oil consumption at all. Only thing the Rio had was rear brakes that had not enough free space and that caused premature wear out. We solved that when replacing the brakes. Otherwise a very economical and comfortable car. Adding Cruise Control was just a matter of ordering the 90 Euro switch and put it in. All in all a good experience so not all Kia models have serious issues.
Here the Kia Picanto had an issue that engine oil needed to be at exact the maximum level to avoid it becoming an oil user and the Kia Ceed had lousy seats. I do recall one of the first Hyundai Atoz models and the metal sheet where the pedals are fully cracking and coming loose from the chassis making it impossible to use the clutch. This was somewhere around 2007.
No problems with paint. No oil consumption at all. Only thing the Rio had was rear brakes that had not enough free space and that caused premature wear out. We solved that when replacing the brakes. Otherwise a very economical and comfortable car. Adding Cruise Control was just a matter of ordering the 90 Euro switch and put it in. All in all a good experience so not all Kia models have serious issues.
Here the Kia Picanto had an issue that engine oil needed to be at exact the maximum level to avoid it becoming an oil user and the Kia Ceed had lousy seats. I do recall one of the first Hyundai Atoz models and the metal sheet where the pedals are fully cracking and coming loose from the chassis making it impossible to use the clutch. This was somewhere around 2007.
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I've never been tempted to even look at one. They just don't excite me looks wise. Not to mention there nothing interesting, amusing, or reliable about their current powertrains. The running joke my sun always says every time we pass a dealership is "hey lets go look"
If one decouples taste and emotion from transport and adapts to real life requirements then driving becomes cheaper.
As said they’re sometimes reliable. Depends on the model. Same with french cars. Many popular brands are quite low on the reliability statistics.
It may be purple with yellow dots. As long as it brings me from A to B for years with only maintenance all is good.
As said they’re sometimes reliable. Depends on the model. Same with french cars. Many popular brands are quite low on the reliability statistics.
It may be purple with yellow dots. As long as it brings me from A to B for years with only maintenance all is good.
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Agreed... I'm no stranger to buying used either. That lets you have some taste and emotion on a budget if you look long and hard enough. My problem is I'm a gear head, car guy, and both my kids are adults. If this brand would build on or bring back the genesis coupe or do something like Toyota with the FRS / Subaru BRZ on an affordable less luxurious level than Genesis I'd be right there looking at it at least
Maintenance is key in these vehicles I would think. I guess it is in almost everything we use and buy if we want longevity.
The paint issue can’t be solved by maintenance. Probably has also to do with high temperature. I recall Kia offering me extra warranty on the paint when the car was serviced. This wondered me as they already have a long warranty on the paint and rust prevention.
BTW the theft problem apparently does not occur in Europe because of different software.
BTW the theft problem apparently does not occur in Europe because of different software.
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Maintenance can't help with cars that are so easy to steal that I know of people who have had theirs taken multiple times. It can't help with brake fluid leaking on a wiring harness and shorting it out. It can't help with paint peeling in entire sections. And I haven't followed the engine problems to know if more oil changes would have helped.
The people with entire sections of paint peeling are watching their car's resale value drop by thousands of dollars.
It's not for the 2.0 litre GDI engines. This was a flaw in design/manufacture, hence the class action law suit. I watched a report on TV recently where a woman's KIA was just out of warranty, and the engine was toast. And the dealer knew about it beforehand and did nothing. She had just paid off the car loan to boot.
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A doctor filed a class action suit on BMW because of auto gearbox issues, after he found out the company knew about the problem, and basically told the dealers to run the owners around till the warranty was over, the fluid or something failed before 80,000 miles on a car with a 100,000 mile gear box warranty.
A paint issue may be linked to a particular factory / paint supplier / application mistakes, that needs to be checked, then maybe a class action suit can be filed.
Even a trace of moisture in the paint can lead to issues which show up for a long time, for example.
In India, Kia and Hyundai are considered rugged and economical vehicles, price is reasonable.
Diesel economy is really good, engine layouts for service are convenient, like oil filter on top, for example.
And their factory for local sale (and some export models) is in India, and no, I have not noticed this paint issue unless it is a body repaired car, where the paint is chosen by the body shop doing the repair. that of course is not their responsibility.
I have no ties to any companies above..
A paint issue may be linked to a particular factory / paint supplier / application mistakes, that needs to be checked, then maybe a class action suit can be filed.
Even a trace of moisture in the paint can lead to issues which show up for a long time, for example.
In India, Kia and Hyundai are considered rugged and economical vehicles, price is reasonable.
Diesel economy is really good, engine layouts for service are convenient, like oil filter on top, for example.
And their factory for local sale (and some export models) is in India, and no, I have not noticed this paint issue unless it is a body repaired car, where the paint is chosen by the body shop doing the repair. that of course is not their responsibility.
I have no ties to any companies above..
There have been numerous paint issues over the last 80 years with virtually all automobile manufacturers. Chevrolet/GM used a wax based primer in the 70s that ultimately caused paint to blister like the OP picture. Around 2019 Subaru switched to a low VOC clear coat. bird **** would eat the clear coat right through to the base color.
maybe yes, maybe no. I'm a GM fan. I'm sure they've knowingly shafted their customers more than once. In fact the CEO once apologized for making terrible cars in the 80's. The difference is, if I buy a truck or car that was built by them and popular I will be able to take the motor to a machine shop and fix the failure. The same with the transmission. There's 60 years of aftermarket support and niche companies fixing the common failure points.
Same for Ford, Dodge, BMW, Mercedes, Volkswagen, and somewhat for Honda and Mazda. I've owned them all except for BMW and Dodge. You could even rebuild some Datsun's from the ground up. That to me that is money in the bank because I can get all the money out of using the car, maintain it and then sell or trade it for more because of the support
I don't see anybody "working" a Kia block when they fail. It gets recycled and or thrown away. That ends up in a landfill and then Kia sucks up more resources to pump out another "one use" car. I'm not saying any of the brands above are perfect, they all do it to one degree or another. I guess my point is that there are better options for the same money that count as basic transportation.
Ford had an issue with the Windstar 6-cyl that would blow the head gasket. I don't remember the year, but I had one. It blew after 80Kmiles. Silent recall so they replaced the head gasket at no cost. I made it 11 miles before it blew again. They rebuilt it again with new heads. I got a couple hundred miles and it showed overheating when I returned from a trip to SC, so I drove it home and it died in the driveway. They got a rebuilt engine to replace it. (Turns out I had three acquaintances at work with the same problem that year). I got to just over 100K miles and it showed coolant loss again. Ford said 100K miles no dice. I bought a service manual when I got the car and started reading about how to replace a blown head gasket (I have worked on/rebuilt engines all l my life.) The manual had an"Alternate procedure" listed as the primary procedure for torquing the head bolts after replacing the head gasket. They didn't want to put the engine back together and drive it to heat cycle the engine. so they torqued the head gasket, backed it off and torqued it again. The actual procedure was to drive it to heat cycle the engine, and re-torque the head gasket with out backing it out. I followed the correct procedure and then traded it in.
They could have replaced the composite head gasket with an annealed copper head gasket and it would have solved the problem, but the bean counters disagreed.
The next year they redesigned it to eliminate the problem, and had an air intake to leak instead.🤣
They could have replaced the composite head gasket with an annealed copper head gasket and it would have solved the problem, but the bean counters disagreed.
The next year they redesigned it to eliminate the problem, and had an air intake to leak instead.🤣