I worked at a Ford plant in Mahwah, N.J. for a while in the late 70's. One of my jobs was putting the left rear bumper bracket on 600 cars a night. The plant was one of Dante's circles of Hell. 90 degrees, 90 percent humidity, 90 decibels for 11 hours every night. When I got there, I couldn't understand why the guy next to me would sometimes pick up a hammer and bang on a disc brake. I soon found out that the "inmates" hated the job and factory and management so much, that many of them would do something to screw up the cars before they got off the assembly line. Many would go into the parking lot during the 1/2 hour lunch break and drink as much alcohol and smoke as much weed as they could. And every night, somewhere in the factory, workers would fill a car with trash and set it on fire. A definite low point for management/worker relations! Not one car (we were making Country Squire station wagons) came off that assembly line built correctly. Just so you know that your 4 wheel money pit isn't always the fault of the engineers. At least working there convinced me to go to college.
One thing to note is that Toyota is said to regard Hyundai as their most dangerous competitor, they are really competitive.
They are dismissive about GM, Ford, VW, and Stellantis, among others.
Hyundai owns Kia...
If a car lasts 500,000 miles, it is usually not just the engine that is worn out by that time, the car is usually replaced by that time.
Indian roads will do that, no idea about them in your area.
I have noticed that the paint jobs on (local brands) Mahindra and Tata are inferior to the jobs on Suzuki and Hyundai cars, they rust at joints or have pinhole spatter on surface within 5 years, particularly in cheaper models.
I live in an area with a heavy monsoon, the temperature is average 60% RH, 4-46 C for most of the year, mostly minimum is about 25, for about 6 months.
It would be nice if the posters give their area, and weather along with their complaints, that may also be relevant along with manufacturing plant location.
No ties to any names above.
They are dismissive about GM, Ford, VW, and Stellantis, among others.
Hyundai owns Kia...
If a car lasts 500,000 miles, it is usually not just the engine that is worn out by that time, the car is usually replaced by that time.
Indian roads will do that, no idea about them in your area.
I have noticed that the paint jobs on (local brands) Mahindra and Tata are inferior to the jobs on Suzuki and Hyundai cars, they rust at joints or have pinhole spatter on surface within 5 years, particularly in cheaper models.
I live in an area with a heavy monsoon, the temperature is average 60% RH, 4-46 C for most of the year, mostly minimum is about 25, for about 6 months.
It would be nice if the posters give their area, and weather along with their complaints, that may also be relevant along with manufacturing plant location.
No ties to any names above.
Most modern engines are not rebuid-able anymore. The have reduced metal content among other things that make engines one and done.
I had one of those POS's. Luckily my dealer did it right. The problem was the aluminum head on the cast iron block, differential thermal expansion, makes it trickier to get that head gasket unstressed. My engine did ok but the crap transmission went at about 100K, another known issue with that car. "Quality goes in before the name goes on".....
I owned a few Hyundai’s back in 2013-2020…actually 5 of them.
Most had the 4 cylinder turbo engine which was a better power plant than the 6 cylinder NA in my opinion.
I only considered them because at that time they offered the 10 year 100K mile warranty. Never had a mechanical failure problem with them or anything really. Did maintenance as prescribed. Didn’t keep any into anything higher than 75K miles.
We bought higher end vehicles with more features that were sitting a while and highly discounted on the lot for the most part.
I wouldn’t buy another one now simply because in my opinion everything they make is hideous. No idea how corporate allowed the aesthetics of these vehicles to evolve as they have from 2013 to present day.
I think people are kidding themselves if they think there is any real difference between marques and how modern day vehicles are designed and built.
They all have the same philosophy…planned obsolescence. Build as cheaply as is possible, tons of integrated assemblies and plastic, attempting to avoid a failure percentage that might cause a recall or law suit. Make the cars unserviceable except by their own dealer network with special tools etc etc. this has been going on for decades.
I worked as a mechanic for years. Looking under the hood of a Hyundai was no different than a VW really.
I got wind if an interesting tidbit recently in my area (New England, USA). We have a constant mouse problem. They get into everything and nest…especially in the fall.
Obviously, cars are a favorite destination. Seems they’ve shown a preference to KIA’s in our area due to the delicious Soy derived insulation coating the wiring harnesses in them? FUN!
Most had the 4 cylinder turbo engine which was a better power plant than the 6 cylinder NA in my opinion.
I only considered them because at that time they offered the 10 year 100K mile warranty. Never had a mechanical failure problem with them or anything really. Did maintenance as prescribed. Didn’t keep any into anything higher than 75K miles.
We bought higher end vehicles with more features that were sitting a while and highly discounted on the lot for the most part.
I wouldn’t buy another one now simply because in my opinion everything they make is hideous. No idea how corporate allowed the aesthetics of these vehicles to evolve as they have from 2013 to present day.
I think people are kidding themselves if they think there is any real difference between marques and how modern day vehicles are designed and built.
They all have the same philosophy…planned obsolescence. Build as cheaply as is possible, tons of integrated assemblies and plastic, attempting to avoid a failure percentage that might cause a recall or law suit. Make the cars unserviceable except by their own dealer network with special tools etc etc. this has been going on for decades.
I worked as a mechanic for years. Looking under the hood of a Hyundai was no different than a VW really.
I got wind if an interesting tidbit recently in my area (New England, USA). We have a constant mouse problem. They get into everything and nest…especially in the fall.
Obviously, cars are a favorite destination. Seems they’ve shown a preference to KIA’s in our area due to the delicious Soy derived insulation coating the wiring harnesses in them? FUN!
I own a 2018 Hyundai Elantra. 65000 miles, one warranty visit. When delivered one cylinder was misfiring and setting a code. Dealer replaced plug & coil pack on that cylinder. Did it again on our first trip out of town. I bought a bottle of STP fuel detergent, in the tank, problem gone. Oil changer now puts detergent in gas tank every oil change. Have done recommended service, $700 in transmission at 60000 miles.
We have had the software update for anti theft. Wife drives it to work & visit grandchildren.
I don't expect any car to last more than 11 years. Wire harness/computer/sensor designs ensures check engine disease at 11-13 years. Our 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt, wife refused to replace the orange antifreeze at 4-5 years, waited until the 9th year. Her facebook friends said replacing antifreeze was stupid. 10th year, 105000 miles she is driving and engine starts knocking and shuts down. Wrecker driver said water in the oil. Local mechanic said probably cylinder gasket corroded through, $5400 for a new Jasper engine. Chevrolet dealer said new engine $4500, but sleazy oil changer had discarded the plastic covers on the engine. Splash water had corroded holes in the aluminum valve cover. Extras???. I tried to change fan belt, I was not strong enough. Would need alternator, water pump, power steering pump, A/C pump in next 40000 miles. Not economic to pay people to do these jobs. Jobs contracted out often are done badly. Gave Cobalt away, bought the Elantra. Will need some new vehicle for wife 2030 or so. I'm riding electric bicycle all local trips.
We have had the software update for anti theft. Wife drives it to work & visit grandchildren.
I don't expect any car to last more than 11 years. Wire harness/computer/sensor designs ensures check engine disease at 11-13 years. Our 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt, wife refused to replace the orange antifreeze at 4-5 years, waited until the 9th year. Her facebook friends said replacing antifreeze was stupid. 10th year, 105000 miles she is driving and engine starts knocking and shuts down. Wrecker driver said water in the oil. Local mechanic said probably cylinder gasket corroded through, $5400 for a new Jasper engine. Chevrolet dealer said new engine $4500, but sleazy oil changer had discarded the plastic covers on the engine. Splash water had corroded holes in the aluminum valve cover. Extras???. I tried to change fan belt, I was not strong enough. Would need alternator, water pump, power steering pump, A/C pump in next 40000 miles. Not economic to pay people to do these jobs. Jobs contracted out often are done badly. Gave Cobalt away, bought the Elantra. Will need some new vehicle for wife 2030 or so. I'm riding electric bicycle all local trips.
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Actually, truck engines, particularly diesels, are now out sourced by vehicle builders, the latest emission standards require very tight tolerance machining, and lots of software in the injection systems.
In India, Cummins and Force Motors are building OEM engines for many customers, it is just an example, no ties to any names here.
Could be same for cars, so it may be practical, a rebuilt at shop engine will not meet emission standards. So it will be illegal...meaning no insurance claims admissible, for example.
It seems Ford has seen a 50% decline in sales over 5 years, I may be wrong in my information.
I wonder what happened.
Hyundai cars are part of a very big corporate group, they make ship engines, and large ships, also hydraulic excavators and memory chips (!) among many other products.
If they were cheating the customer, they would not have grown big.
And I would love to have personal information about owner experiences by members here and possibly a new thread about the quality of Chinese cars, and also those brands now owned by Chinese entities, for example Volvo and MG.
In India, Cummins and Force Motors are building OEM engines for many customers, it is just an example, no ties to any names here.
Could be same for cars, so it may be practical, a rebuilt at shop engine will not meet emission standards. So it will be illegal...meaning no insurance claims admissible, for example.
It seems Ford has seen a 50% decline in sales over 5 years, I may be wrong in my information.
I wonder what happened.
Hyundai cars are part of a very big corporate group, they make ship engines, and large ships, also hydraulic excavators and memory chips (!) among many other products.
If they were cheating the customer, they would not have grown big.
And I would love to have personal information about owner experiences by members here and possibly a new thread about the quality of Chinese cars, and also those brands now owned by Chinese entities, for example Volvo and MG.
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