I asked Bliesma about M74 and they told me I can buy everything direct from Bliesma or their dealers.
An M74-Textreme does sound very interesting... although to be honest, I think the M74A sets a very high standard.
Then Mr. Malikowski should contact his distributor Soundimports why all types of T25, T34 and M74 are not available, even "end of life" like this one:
Apparently Soundimports is reporting this inaccurately. Bliesma also just confirmed to me as well the M74 is not discontinued. Looking forward to seeing more of them in builds!
Did you also ask Bliesma why they allow one of their distributors to announce T25, T34 and M74 drivers in their webshop to be "out of stock. End of life. We can not supply this product anymore"??? Not just recently but since weeks ago.
Who is spreading misinformation here?
When Bliesma take their business seriously they should have acted towards Soundimports and made an announcement on their own seriously "un-updated" website (where is product info on M74 and M142 drivers? How about the problems with berrylium?).
Who is spreading misinformation here?
When Bliesma take their business seriously they should have acted towards Soundimports and made an announcement on their own seriously "un-updated" website (where is product info on M74 and M142 drivers? How about the problems with berrylium?).
I, for one, hope it happens. I agree about the M74A and I assume that the Textreme version would cost more - hopefully not too much more - but I don't always act rationally, so a M74T might just push me over the splurge cliff.
Just as a PSA, I note that Solen has increased stock for the M74 variants; including 10 M74Bs.
https://solen.ca/en/products?query=M74
https://solen.ca/en/products?query=M74
Now that we’ve crept into the $400 US price category, we’re well into diminished returns If one starts to consider the alternatives…….a 1.4” compression driver mounted on a 80x60 or so horn kills two birds with one watt with linear FR and point source performance from 800hz to past 15k for home use at safe listening volume with no power compression and extremely low HD. Those that would like to argue that last 1/4 octave?…..have at it……i no longer have the will to debate how useless it is.
Yes……said horn will need a 10” baffle so not exactly a compact speaker……but what will the end user of a 3” dome be mated to for woofage?……..surely the ubiquitous 8” or dual 8” would be the smallest to justify the cost of the high performance 3” dome? A nice 12“ paper cone woofer would be an excellent bafflemate no?…….not exactly a small speaker either.
All things considered, I’m in the CD camp at this pricepoint without hesitation……advances in compression driver tech and horn design have left the value of high price dome mids in the dust.
Yes……said horn will need a 10” baffle so not exactly a compact speaker……but what will the end user of a 3” dome be mated to for woofage?……..surely the ubiquitous 8” or dual 8” would be the smallest to justify the cost of the high performance 3” dome? A nice 12“ paper cone woofer would be an excellent bafflemate no?…….not exactly a small speaker either.
All things considered, I’m in the CD camp at this pricepoint without hesitation……advances in compression driver tech and horn design have left the value of high price dome mids in the dust.
Nope……not $300 for an inefficient midwoofer hybrid…..what are you gonna do with that thing?…..a super compact inefficient 2 way?
No that's the midrange version and has a different motor arrangement. I'd go 250/300 to 300/3500. I'd have more option on where to cross at the low end and much the same at the high end before the directivity becomes a problem. Still has a Z-offset issue, but I suspect that's not 100% gone with a dome.
Why should I care about efficiency anyway?
Efficiency might not matter if you drive the speaker directly but if its matched up with other drivers in a multi-way/passive crossover you now have to match them all up for equal level, so need to pad the other drivers to match levels.
You also need more power to get the same volume, or run into headroom issues, so more power adds costs to your system
Is that enough reasons for you?
BTW, thanks @profiguy for all your input in this thread, enlightining as a Morel MDM55 user, I've been running that driver in one pair of speakers for ~30 years or as long as I can remember. How many mfr still produce a driver that long timeframe = not very many, cheers mate
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They are reasons, but not good ones in my case.
I'm using DSP crossovers and can't see myself buying low powered amps in future, though I might upgrade to better class-D.
The lowest power amp I have is an Arcam HT that has a rather big power supply. I have soime legacy class A/B power amps and they have lower ratings but power headroom is not an issue.
I am not following the mirade of side discussions in this thread so do not know your specific setup so I generalize my statements.
Not that I need to know the details of your setup either since the discussion should be about midrange dirivers.
If you drive your midrange speaker directly and do the frequency selection using a DSP or active filter then its a different setup than a mult-way/passive, different set of circumstances to deal with, not really related to discussion about the drivers themselves imo.
Not that I need to know the details of your setup either since the discussion should be about midrange dirivers.
If you drive your midrange speaker directly and do the frequency selection using a DSP or active filter then its a different setup than a mult-way/passive, different set of circumstances to deal with, not really related to discussion about the drivers themselves imo.
i don't agree totally with that , i m' a horn guy from long times and i know their strengths and limitations horns were not made for home hifi system but for Cinema or stadium sound system , at low level and i can live with a dome tweeter and medium dome like the ATC or Bliesma or even a planar sounds more refined than a Compression driver in horn , Horn shape brings colorations and beaming too . there is no free lunch and to mix them perfectly with 15inch bass driver is not so easy too. however as you just say i can scare my neighbourough with just a flea amplifier ..
I enjoyed owning speakers with ATC dome mids 40 years ago. Those were passive and its horrifying what the crossovers look like. After EQ I suspect that the sensitivity isn't quite what you thought you might get.
I'm disappointed that the forum darling Bliesmas seem to have a poorer low end, it seems to me that they solve a problem with mid/high transition but leave one at the low end - and they are expensive. Same with the Satoris, although they are at least more affordable.
I don't think they should be considered in isolation - the dispersion and Z-offset issues seem advatageous but they should be considered in context with the best of the alternatives, where 'best' can mean several things - one of which is bang for the buck.
So could I……and I have advocated here and other threads where the performance of a dome matches its price point……..but at $400, the scale is tipped far off balance for me. I’d be willing to spend Morel money on the mid…….maybe close to the same on a suitable tweeter and once you’ve factored in the XO components and time…. viola…..you’re at $400…..that’s a stale mate I could live with and have.
But add the $400 dome alone, now you‘re talking about a near $700 MT section that will have lobing, phase incongruity, and suffer from power compression at higher output?…….nah……the value is all gone for sure.