No, self discipline is different from self motivation, willpower.
Citing one psychologist is the same as us having conversations amongs ourselves. Each one will have their own opinion based on study and experience, and both of us can start linking to many more. Like ourselves here. We are conversing here by study and experience as well i hope.
Citing one psychologist is the same as us having conversations amongs ourselves. Each one will have their own opinion based on study and experience, and both of us can start linking to many more. Like ourselves here. We are conversing here by study and experience as well i hope.
Something every human does most of the time. It cannot be otherwise. Professor and Nobel Laurate Daniel Kahneman summed it up rather nicely:
'A machine for jumping to conclusions'
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/02/conclusions
Who happens to be an expert in a particular area. Then there are a number of other psychologists who study the same basic subject area and find the same sorts of things. Expert opinion usually tends to carry more weight than lay opinion...
He mentions discipline as an extension of willpower? I've not read his books, so i can only glance at his work as is. But i've read Jung, Wundt, Skinner and interestingly enough Pavlov. It is a hobby for me, like audio here.
i'll give him a read, and will make my notes. Until then, i'm still a strong believer in what i wrote here as a culmination of what i've learned so far trough books and real world examples of my surroundings, as well as remarkable people around the globe.
i'll give him a read, and will make my notes. Until then, i'm still a strong believer in what i wrote here as a culmination of what i've learned so far trough books and real world examples of my surroundings, as well as remarkable people around the globe.
Propaganda is PR undertaken by the government for specific political ends. PR in general is just when an organization tries to communicate with the public, typically PR is referenced as communicating without using advertising.
Not all attempts to communicate need to be characterized as sinister or conspiratorial.
In Dutch propaganda used to be a rather general word for PR - but that doesn't say anything about English of course.
Jung and Skinner both come from an earlier age in psychology. It was more theoretical then.
Now the field has become more experimentally-based, but not without some growing pains along the way. Bottom line though is that experimental methods can give a better match to reality than only psychological theorizing. One example of modern scientific revolution in action. Not always pretty, but it has to be done.
Now the field has become more experimentally-based, but not without some growing pains along the way. Bottom line though is that experimental methods can give a better match to reality than only psychological theorizing. One example of modern scientific revolution in action. Not always pretty, but it has to be done.
What you call experimentally based is exactly what Wundt brought to the world of psychology, and it is nothing new since this was in late eighteen hundreds. To whom Jung quite often refferd to. You ought to read up more on the subject.
And what would you say about Seligman and learned helplessness in relation to Skinner? Or about Kahneman and rational thought? Stanovich? Haidt? Gilbert? Nisbett? Thaler? Tetlock? Cialdini?
You keeping up with field, or stuck in the past? Experimental methods were not well understood by modern standards until after the behaviourist era
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Keep googling 🙂 I could analyze you, but i can use modern (which you like) expression, butthurt. I speak only of things i've read, learned or experienced. No need to debate further with someone that clearly has less read up, learned or experienced than me in field, in such a manner.
I won't be making a house without building up the foundation. Not to mention, all new studies are based upon what was learned from the "old" as you name them.
I will read up on Baumeister, sounds interesting enough.
Cheers.
I won't be making a house without building up the foundation. Not to mention, all new studies are based upon what was learned from the "old" as you name them.
I will read up on Baumeister, sounds interesting enough.
Cheers.
Googling? You are jumping to conclusions. Merely referred to some of the already well-studied collection on my bookshelf.
In any case it appears we agree that you speak of the things you read, learned, and experienced. Depending on your interests, there is likely more than Baumeister you might find of interest. Happy to go into more detail. PM might be better than taking up words here in the general forum for people not so interested in the subject matter.
In any case it appears we agree that you speak of the things you read, learned, and experienced. Depending on your interests, there is likely more than Baumeister you might find of interest. Happy to go into more detail. PM might be better than taking up words here in the general forum for people not so interested in the subject matter.
I offer my apologies if i misinterpreted your post.
I don't mind sharing/discussing more in PM once i read some of his books that i find of interest.
I don't mind sharing/discussing more in PM once i read some of his books that i find of interest.
Special?
Someone that could actually survive outside the false world.
Good example was the toilet paper "PR" dash that
everyone fell for.
Failure
Watching the wiggles on a nice bike ride.
and not caring about peoples ideals.
Someone that could actually survive outside the false world.
Good example was the toilet paper "PR" dash that
everyone fell for.
Failure
Watching the wiggles on a nice bike ride.
and not caring about peoples ideals.
Even within a field, many "brilliant" students don't learn anything outside the curriculum. This might be a good interview question: "What books in your field have you read, other than those assigned for classwork?" Many courses have a syllabus that only requires certain chapters of the assigned textbook to be read. A narrow-minded but "good" student would only read the assigned pages, as those are the only ones being tested on. Why would a student (going only for straight-A grades) waste time with anything else?
I recall in college (late 1970s) reading an EE Times magazine/newspaper, a letter to the editor described an EE college graduats who didn't know how to operate an oscilloscope. I would also wonder how much experience he had holding a soldering iron.
I was an "electronics hobbyist" before I was an engineering student, and I continue to be both, even though I'm not officially a college student. I may not be brilliant or special, but I'm ahead of a lot of people I knew in college.
That's good to know. I've read Feynman's "Cargo Cult Science" more than once, and I've wondered if psychology has changed much since then.
I did read the first half of "Fast and Slow" and found it interesting, it's a bit of a debunk to Gladwell's "Blink." I read Gladwell's first three books and decided I'd read enough from him, it's "interesting" but his main qualification is being a popular writer.
Good call. I'd say this is related to intuition, but not identical. Perhaps a combination of intuition and obsessive, unrelenting determination.
Watson & Crick used intuition to jump ahead of Rosalind Franklin, who was using a slower, systematic method. I think, in general, a breakthrough requires both novel thinking and doggedness. I would go as far as to call it obsessiveness. If you are comfortable and content you probably aren't going to make a breakthrough.
That is how its interpreted nowadays. However in the past I understand it had a more general meaning.
Agreed. In my understanding Bernays coined 'PR' when the word 'propaganda' had been sullied in his estimation by the Third Reich. But I may well be over-simplifying the history.
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