I liked this, you got the point, but there are many ways to achieve a result and for me the "how" is as important as the "why".Whatever hand of cards you get dealt, and some are more special than others, you must play it best you can. This is your responsibility. 🙂
There are people who are thankful for small and others who want more and more.
Both are entitled, but they will supposedly not behave in the same way.
Experience, enthusiasm but most of all and to quote one of the better teachers I had back in the day "some of you simply will never be a good engineer or scientist, no matter how hard you study".Yes, what do you think they missed?
I guess that translates to something like "talent" or so? (although that seems a bit to easy to use sometimes)
It's hard to grasp, but some people just don't get it and will never get it, no matter how much they study and you teach them.
They will be just fine in replicating.
Problem is that most schools only just focus on exams, replicating and memorizing things (yes even at university level).
I think someone's personality also has to do with it.
Without having an open and curious mind, it's impossible to be really good at anything IMO.
Since it's an essential part of improving and growing I think, otherwise you'll be forever stuck in the same frame of mind.
Often resulting in missed changes and opportunities.
Memory can be a needed thing in some knowledge but not enough. A good doctor needs also experience.
In my country since 20 or 30 years the level of knowledge is dramatically collapsing. Students just learn for exams. There are now packs of 4 to 5 years of university guys that are fools ans no culture and say it is their rigth in a certain delirious wokism vision of life. Of course not all but more and more. If they won some others qualities by contrast...but no.
Some studies ans high schools though stay safe here: doctors (but not nurses) ; highest high schools. But globaly, screens made disorders in their mind...maybe ir came frim their parents already. Dunno.
In my country since 20 or 30 years the level of knowledge is dramatically collapsing. Students just learn for exams. There are now packs of 4 to 5 years of university guys that are fools ans no culture and say it is their rigth in a certain delirious wokism vision of life. Of course not all but more and more. If they won some others qualities by contrast...but no.
Some studies ans high schools though stay safe here: doctors (but not nurses) ; highest high schools. But globaly, screens made disorders in their mind...maybe ir came frim their parents already. Dunno.
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That’s exactly what I think, and I couldn’t have said it better.Experience, enthusiasm but most of all and to quote one of the better teachers I had back in the day "some of you simply will never be a good engineer or scientist, no matter how hard you study".
I guess that translates to something like "talent" or so? (although that seems a bit to easy to use sometimes)
It's hard to grasp, but some people just don't get it and will never get it, no matter how much they study and you teach them.
They will be just fine in replicating.
Problem is that most schools only just focus on exams, replicating and memorizing things (yes even at university level).
I think someone's personality also has to do with it.
Without having an open and curious mind, it's impossible to be really good at anything IMO.
Since it's an essential part of improving and growing I think, otherwise you'll be forever stuck in the same frame of mind.
Often resulting in missed changes and opportunities.
Also I would add the personal culture (not the one that is done in museums, but the one that is done on the street), intuition and knowing how to listen to the other and understand his motivations.
The mental speed, the desire to confront each other, the feeling on the same level with everyone, no matter how much he has studied or what title he has (high and/or low or even none).
Is it too much if I say that you have also to love yourself (even your own ego, so that you won’t be afraid of it) otherwise you cannot love anything else or anyone else?
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In the Japanese Martial arts you need a teacher and you need to perform each move 10,000 times minimum. It means you need to learn how to do something properly and then practice it relentlessly for years. Only then will you be ready to start the journey to become great at something.
Working in the trades my entire life i’ve worked with many engineers and unfortunately 90% of them were exactly as described above, book smart and trained for single track thinking……..sometimes things just don’t work out and they pitch a fit instead of trying to think outside the box. Engineering should have to have at least a year of actual labor intensive field work to get a degree (much like a doctor residency) 😛
You can teach a person to perform repetitive tasks (like martial arts). Can you teach a person to innovate and create?
I think experience is over-valued for some types of job. Anyone can gain experience measured in time, but that may not make them the best hire over someone who can innovate and learn fast.
Audio engineering, I would argue, needs the thinkers and innovators who don't just accept what's been done before.
I think experience is over-valued for some types of job. Anyone can gain experience measured in time, but that may not make them the best hire over someone who can innovate and learn fast.
Audio engineering, I would argue, needs the thinkers and innovators who don't just accept what's been done before.
Knowledge and intelligence aside, there are formal characteristics that largely determine a person's effectiveness:
openness, conscientiousness, extraversion, agreeableness, and neuroticism
I avoid the more superficial, mainstream characterisations like Myers Briggs which seem to be designed to minimize defensiveness in work scenarios, lol.
openness, conscientiousness, extraversion, agreeableness, and neuroticism
I avoid the more superficial, mainstream characterisations like Myers Briggs which seem to be designed to minimize defensiveness in work scenarios, lol.
Roco Sifredi knows it.In the Japanese Martial arts you need a teacher and you need to perform each move 10,000 times minimum. It means you need to learn how to do something properly and then practice it relentlessly for years. Only then will you be ready to start the journey to become great at something.
Dealt a hand, certainly. Responsibility to optimize it? I don't think so. And, besides, by whose criteria? Lol.Whatever hand of cards you get dealt, and some are more special than others, you must play it best you can. This is your responsibility. 🙂
Some people have a job, some have a career, and others have a calling. Some people are motivated by curiosity. Of course perseverance in the face of difficulty is necessary too. IOW, human motivation, drive, grit, etc. are complex things. They are not so easily encapsulated into a few brief words.Motivation is fleeting.
I think experience is over-valued for some types of job. Anyone can gain experience measured in time, but that may not make them the best hire over someone who can innovate and learn fast.
Audio engineering, I would argue, needs the thinkers and innovators who don't just accept what's been done before.
My former boss once told me, probably when I applied for a job at his firm, that he was always a bit cautious about hiring experienced people, as experienced could mean trained at copying stuff. (Back then I had quite limited experience designing electronics.)
Aka, the Big Five. Mnemonic spells OCEAN. Its a personality characteristics model. Its a commonly used one, but not the only one.Knowledge and intelligence aside, there are formal characteristics that largely determine a person's effectiveness:
openness, conscientiousness, extraversion, agreeableness, and neuroticism
Not always, not in the real world anyway. Sometimes a manager wants to hire someone how will do work the manager doesn't want to do himself, and someone who will not be threat to the manager (e.g. not smarter and more productive than the manager).Audio engineering, I would argue, needs the thinkers and innovators who don't just accept what's been done before.
Where thinkers are innovators are needed is in startups. Where they may be unwanted is in big companies that have a slot to fill, and they only care about finding a good fit for the slot they have defined.
Without discipline, all is for nothing. Everything is complex, emotions, thoughts, multitude of factors, but if you haven't built discipline, you won't make it when push comes to shove. Thats why it tops EVERYTHING in regards actually doing something. Thats why there is a saying, discipline beats talent. You must stay consistent.Some people have a job, some have a career, and others have a calling. Some people are motivated by curiosity. Of course perseverance in the face of difficulty is necessary too. IOW, human motivation, drive, grit, etc. are complex things. They are not so easily encapsulated into a few brief words.
I see many brilliant people fail due to not being properly raised, counting on calling, passion, you name it, and loosing motivation midway, or when things get difficult. School system, which basically is worth only to teach young ones discipline, fails so much at that... Parents.... It's a generational circle of doing rhe same wrong things, teaching what you've been taught.
Yes, so much to say, in so little words.
I have seen cases where it wasn't discipline. Sometimes it is anger and retribution that drives people. Ever hear of a company called Vendetta Research, which eventually produced the Vendetta preamp? It wasn't discipline that kept them from giving up. In other cases it may be a matter of a young engineer out to prove himself to the world. The drive can be very strong. Failure is not an option. It doesn't always necessarily come from raw discipline. Discipline can be about making your bed in the morning as soon as you get up, whether it needs it or not and whether you feel like it or not. Doing something by rote simply because it is the exercise of discipline is not necessarily the right explanation for all cases.Without discipline, all is for nothing.
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What you just named is one of the few isolated cases. Hate, anger, retribution, usually drive people to do bad things, destructive things. Only a small amount of people can channel it to do something creative, and even then, it is discipline of the mind that what makes all those emotions bare fruit. If you let tbose emotions rampart, there are only few institutions that handle such cases..
Yes, discipline can be about small things, also about big things. Discipline builds character, character builds perserverance, strength and unwavering mind. You can have drive, powerful drive from emotions, desires, but without discipline it relies on motivation to get em up and do the "dirty", tedious, hard work.
Yes, discipline can be about small things, also about big things. Discipline builds character, character builds perserverance, strength and unwavering mind. You can have drive, powerful drive from emotions, desires, but without discipline it relies on motivation to get em up and do the "dirty", tedious, hard work.
Maybe you are referring to self-control/willpower?
"Lack of willpower isn’t the only reason you might fail to reach your goals. Willpower researcher Roy Baumeister, PhD, a psychologist at Florida State University, describes three necessary components for achieving objectives: First, he says, you need to establish the motivation for change and set a clear goal. Second, you need to monitor your behavior toward that goal. The third component is willpower."
https://www.apa.org/topics/personality/willpower
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5626575/
https://www.psychologicalscience.or...ogy/where-does-self-discipline-come-from.html
"Lack of willpower isn’t the only reason you might fail to reach your goals. Willpower researcher Roy Baumeister, PhD, a psychologist at Florida State University, describes three necessary components for achieving objectives: First, he says, you need to establish the motivation for change and set a clear goal. Second, you need to monitor your behavior toward that goal. The third component is willpower."
https://www.apa.org/topics/personality/willpower
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5626575/
https://www.psychologicalscience.or...ogy/where-does-self-discipline-come-from.html
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