For a personal project i want to use that exellent Faital HF201 mated initially with a 10" woofer i already have in a cabinet that is good to 800Hz (altough i may to to a 12" later) in a constant directivy horn. But it seems that those are not that common. I used that driver a few times for others already with the P Audio 2380 clone of the JBL horn and in that horn it works well, but it's not constant directivity and it's dispertion is to wide for my home use. Off course i could contact people who make custom horns for this, but that is way out of my budget. Are there ready made horns like that with a 70 to 60" horizontal dispertion that does not cost too much (under 200€ for a horn)? Crossover will be dsp anyway as the sensivity difference will be to big to do it passive.
The 18sound XR2046 is the style of horn i would like to have, but it does not load low enough for my use. Other drivers are not really the goal, i really want an own home setup with that HF201, as it's sound, even unequialised is the kind of sound i like a lot. Other Faital drivers are close and sound very good, but not close enough.
The 18sound XR2046 is the style of horn i would like to have, but it does not load low enough for my use. Other drivers are not really the goal, i really want an own home setup with that HF201, as it's sound, even unequialised is the kind of sound i like a lot. Other Faital drivers are close and sound very good, but not close enough.
i have various horns.2 pieces b&c de750 on ME-75 horn. 6 pieces b&c ME 60 horn 4 loaded with p audio SD 750-N and 2 with b&c DE-75. 2 pieces p audio PH-3223 loaded with b&c DE-75.all configurations sound exelent.i use only high shelving on DSPs setup and no other eq.all of the above reguired slight differend setings for high pass and high shelving to get them right detailed smooth and no harsh sound.the p audio ph-3223 and b&c me-60 horns can turn when mounted on the box 90 degrees to change nominal coverage with noticeable change in sound definition in a big room.i hope this helps
Regarding the crossover, even if you are using DSP I would recommend using a resistor divider to reduce the compression driver sensitivity to that of the woofer to improve the SNR of the system.
These guys do big horns: http://horns-diy.pl/ however they are fiberglass and not going to be cheap compared to a plastic horn, so out of budget.
EV did some large constant directivity horns might be available second hand.
If you have access to a table saw you can make a dual slope conical horn
These guys do big horns: http://horns-diy.pl/ however they are fiberglass and not going to be cheap compared to a plastic horn, so out of budget.
EV did some large constant directivity horns might be available second hand.
If you have access to a table saw you can make a dual slope conical horn
The B&C ME60 could be something usefull, altough it's not totally what i search for. Thanks
Used JABO KH53 https://www.ebay.fr/itm/295382399772?hash=item44c629bb1c:g:ek4AAOSw~qpjiJHy
i sold my pair last year for 250$ very smooth sound ..
i sold my pair last year for 250$ very smooth sound ..
http://www.zxpc.us/product-p/331229192911.htm I can't recall what frequency this is usable to but its pretty big! (I owned some at one point but I then sold them without using them as my design changes to use a smaller throat),
Some more info here: https://www.diyaudio.com/community/...-work-in-progress.326926/page-23#post-7104695
there is also a narrower directivity model. ZXPC had an international Ebay store when I bought from them.
Some more info here: https://www.diyaudio.com/community/...-work-in-progress.326926/page-23#post-7104695
there is also a narrower directivity model. ZXPC had an international Ebay store when I bought from them.
more horn options:
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/...irectivity-horns-you-can-actually-buy.329476/
directivity plots for 18x10:
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/zxpc-18-x10-90x40-2-throat-horns.343126/
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/...irectivity-horns-you-can-actually-buy.329476/
directivity plots for 18x10:
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/zxpc-18-x10-90x40-2-throat-horns.343126/
I had 3 JBL 2385a horns with P.Audio 750 drivers in my system for a while, crossed to 15" ported cabs (The cabs were still highpassed at 80Hz to subs) I liked them, could not hear the 'honk' associated with diffraction slots, but in a home environment at 10' listening distance they were not getting any power.
Loading and narrow angles can both be disadvantageous for a larger waveguide. I would try to keep the smaller angle closer to 90 degrees and the smallest mouth dimension closer to 50cm.
It can be easier to play down through the loading transition with a waveguide, than a loading horn due to the effects of cutoff. Also, narrow angles tend toward loading.
Also, narrow angles require a larger waveguide to support down to the same lower frequency.
Reasoning and examples can be inferred from this thread - https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/is-it-best-to-use-a-non-axisymmetric-waveguide.375799/
Also, narrow angles require a larger waveguide to support down to the same lower frequency.
Reasoning and examples can be inferred from this thread - https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/is-it-best-to-use-a-non-axisymmetric-waveguide.375799/
So you say it would be better to use a wide horn and use it as a waveguide, something like the PH2380 i used before? That was the option i would take when i don't find nothing better anyway.
For limiting directivity and generally operating at lower frequencies, it is difficult to find good commercial offerings so knowing these things helps you make the best of your choices. Also when DIYing, good control at these lower frequencies is what I find important, and loading will find more use outside of a domestic environment.
And what do you think about this PH3223:
https://paudiothailand.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Datasheet-PH-3223.pdf
https://paudiothailand.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Datasheet-PH-3223.pdf
It's vertical is even smaller. The datasheet doesn't have polar measurements so it won't be easy to guess. The thing with pro waveguides is they are crossed higher for power handling and low frequency directivity is not a priority.
There was one time where I used a Dayton round waveguide and extended it so I could cross near 800Hz.
You can see the extension (green paint) here later when I swapped in my own throat section. It is a steel lampshade.
The front was upgraded by enlarging the roundover using foam (compared to the 15" woofer).
Later I fibreglassed a new extension and roundover.
You can see the extension (green paint) here later when I swapped in my own throat section. It is a steel lampshade.
The front was upgraded by enlarging the roundover using foam (compared to the 15" woofer).
Later I fibreglassed a new extension and roundover.
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