^ Same with most standard home A/C units and furnaces. Drives me mad. I was told by a friend in the business to feel 'lucky' to get 10 years out of the newer equipment even with proper annual maintenance.
It is quite irritating that it's even legal in my country to sell a major home appliance with less than a 10 year parts and labor warranty. I'm certainly of a pro-business mindset, but <gasp> I think there should be mandated minimum required warranty periods.
With vehicles, I'm truly surprised it hasn't deteriorated. I may be far from correct, but I credit Hyundai coming into the market and stabilizing / increasing warranty periods. I believe they did it to bolster their brand. We used to say 'Bought a Hyundai on Monday. It died on Tuesday'. They increased their warranty period from what used to be 'the standard' 3 yr / 36k to 10 yr / 100k to show the public that their product could be trusted. Other manufacturers were forced to follow suit. I think they've solidified their place in the market. Everything above is my opinion. No research involved, but I may dig in a bit to see how it really happened.
It is quite irritating that it's even legal in my country to sell a major home appliance with less than a 10 year parts and labor warranty. I'm certainly of a pro-business mindset, but <gasp> I think there should be mandated minimum required warranty periods.
With vehicles, I'm truly surprised it hasn't deteriorated. I may be far from correct, but I credit Hyundai coming into the market and stabilizing / increasing warranty periods. I believe they did it to bolster their brand. We used to say 'Bought a Hyundai on Monday. It died on Tuesday'. They increased their warranty period from what used to be 'the standard' 3 yr / 36k to 10 yr / 100k to show the public that their product could be trusted. Other manufacturers were forced to follow suit. I think they've solidified their place in the market. Everything above is my opinion. No research involved, but I may dig in a bit to see how it really happened.
they lie like no one else . But knowledge is the defense , learn , learn from Linkwitz Riley , he was Nikola Tesla in Audio systems . So no one can snake oil you .
So how SHOULD we market e.g. pro audio hardware and services? I've tried to wrap my head around this for a while (yes, I have a commercial branch), and have more or less come to the conclusion that the market has been lied to so much that it has become immune to marketing..
Or what?
/Jakob E.
Or what?
/Jakob E.
The "Roper" fridge/freezers they sell in "Scamerica" last 6 months to 2 years max. I used to order them from Iowes for multiple housing complexes.
I'd replace 6+ a year. Most would just exceed the year warranty , a few would not. The compressor /coolant system seem to have been designed to
just "make it" (to the warranty). This was by design.
@ostripper - "Yes , the young are smart. They are realistic."
I agree with your comments, EXCEPT that first line that I put here.
Because in MY opinion, the majority of young are NOT so smart.
They've grown up in an increasingly complex world based around an increasingly evolving and changing technology.
They are controlled and led by APPS these days, like puppets.
Old School parental teachings have been downplayed, ignored, lacking, and replaced, in some cases causing issues.
Their "reality" isn't the same as it used to be, progressivism has replaced common sense.
And the results are clearly evident in society these days.
Yet, denial of this change of society is argued about, things like the cellphone zombies constantly glued to their little glowing screens in their faces is for whatever reasons justified.
An alcoholic or drug addict denies their addiction too, and attempts to justify their side of the argument.
In my current home, my 1985 GE refridgerator in the kitchen is now 38 years old, and works just fine, as does the 1971 Kitchenaid dishwasher.
In the basement, a pair of 1984 era Maytag washer/dryer runs perfectly.
A home I rented back in 1988 had an old dusty 1950's Philco fridge in the basement, and when I plugged it in, it ran perfectly - so I used it to store cases of beer.
Those devices were made before the greed and slop era that we're surrounded with today.
I certainly don't want to go through the hassle of having to replace appliances as you have had to deal with.
I refuse as best that I can to fall into the trap of being a vulnerable consumer.
They are smarter then us old timers , since they are not bothered by it (like we are).
Is that not the meaning of life ? They have accepted the inevitable.
The ones that embrace the phone/app way can make more selling B$ (and ideas) than I can building/fixing stuff.
Angry birds APP ??? , inventor is multi- millionaire. Sort of like a modern day "pet rock".
We live in a time where you can act truly retarded on social media , get 100K followers and then all the lying corporations
line up to advertise their outsourced slave labor garbage to (your followers) based on the content you represent.
This will be "the next big thing" ... using AI to refine this retarded loop.
Is that not the meaning of life ? They have accepted the inevitable.
The ones that embrace the phone/app way can make more selling B$ (and ideas) than I can building/fixing stuff.
Angry birds APP ??? , inventor is multi- millionaire. Sort of like a modern day "pet rock".
We live in a time where you can act truly retarded on social media , get 100K followers and then all the lying corporations
line up to advertise their outsourced slave labor garbage to (your followers) based on the content you represent.
This will be "the next big thing" ... using AI to refine this retarded loop.
The whole consumer mentality is grossly wasteful and I think supremely arrogant. I grew up in the 1960s and 70s when it was downright decadent. Americans would buy an enormous car - quite literally three or four times the size of cars in Europe - and after 4 or 5 years (at the most) just discard it as virtually worthless. Nobody had a clue about sustainability nor a care about what was happening to the environment. It was all "Mine is bigger than yours and I'm going to get an even bigger one."
Now we know how we squandered our future. Yet we haven't abandoned our vulgar and immoral consumer mentality. We just forge ahead arrogantly, wasting precious resources and scarring the earth just to make one dollar.
The polar opposite of this mentality is embodied in the Trabant. People held on to them because it's all they were going to get. In spite of being horrible in many ways, people kept them for often more than 20 years. At the same time Americans were discarding cars that were very durable and simple to service, to squander money on an even bigger vehicle. How long do you think the average Soviet citizen would have driven a Chevy, if he could have gotten his hands on one?
Now we know how we squandered our future. Yet we haven't abandoned our vulgar and immoral consumer mentality. We just forge ahead arrogantly, wasting precious resources and scarring the earth just to make one dollar.
The polar opposite of this mentality is embodied in the Trabant. People held on to them because it's all they were going to get. In spite of being horrible in many ways, people kept them for often more than 20 years. At the same time Americans were discarding cars that were very durable and simple to service, to squander money on an even bigger vehicle. How long do you think the average Soviet citizen would have driven a Chevy, if he could have gotten his hands on one?
About ten years ago I had a furnace repair tech come to my house. My old furnace wasn't working. I asked the tech if I ought to just get a new furnace. He said he's way busier fixing the new furnaces than he is fixing older units like mine. He said there's so many sensors and safety devices on them and that they constantly trip and malfunction. Plus he said they barely last ten years.
I had him fix mine, and it's worked without a hiccup with nothing but filters and yearly cleanings since then. Still working!
I had him fix mine, and it's worked without a hiccup with nothing but filters and yearly cleanings since then. Still working!
This is typical narrow minded old man thinking, the world has moved on, its not the 1950's anymore. Young people have access to more information at their fingertips than you will amass in your lifetime. To be anti progressive is to be anti intellectual.
@gyraf,
Marketing to professionals is far different than marketing to consumers. Known as, B2B (Business-to-Business) marketing, a vendor's professional sales/marketing staff sells to a customer's professional buyer, and technology wise expert support staff. As such, the main defense which professional customer's have against being deceived by vendors, is simply that they are highly knowledgeable in the technology area involved. In fact, customers of component parts are typically MORE technically knowledgeable in the application area of that component part than are the vendors themselves. The typical lack of expert knowledge is such a disadvantage for most consumers. A secondary, although, slow to cycle, customer defense mechanism against vendor deception is the word of mouth from customers who have had bad experiences with a given vendor. It is in the interest of all customers in a given market to be aware of such bad experiences, and reject bad actor vendors. As a result, B2B vendors who lie, or otherwise try to deceive expert customers are eventually identified. Once established, a bad reputation can be very difficult, or impossible to improve. Mistrust is hard to overcome, of course, in any relationship.
Marketing to professionals is far different than marketing to consumers. Known as, B2B (Business-to-Business) marketing, a vendor's professional sales/marketing staff sells to a customer's professional buyer, and technology wise expert support staff. As such, the main defense which professional customer's have against being deceived by vendors, is simply that they are highly knowledgeable in the technology area involved. In fact, customers of component parts are typically MORE technically knowledgeable in the application area of that component part than are the vendors themselves. The typical lack of expert knowledge is such a disadvantage for most consumers. A secondary, although, slow to cycle, customer defense mechanism against vendor deception is the word of mouth from customers who have had bad experiences with a given vendor. It is in the interest of all customers in a given market to be aware of such bad experiences, and reject bad actor vendors. As a result, B2B vendors who lie, or otherwise try to deceive expert customers are eventually identified. Once established, a bad reputation can be very difficult, or impossible to improve. Mistrust is hard to overcome, of course, in any relationship.
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But do they retain any of that information, or use it for anything else other than the constant buying buying buying? Being led around by one’s nose is not my idea of progress.
How about some real progress here. From what I can tell Cochrane is way behind his 2063 schedule….
How about some real progress here. From what I can tell Cochrane is way behind his 2063 schedule….
"Progressive" ?? But what if that progress assures our extinction ? You can greenwash our consumerism endlessly , but as it is - we are doomed.
This is what the (some) young realize.
Young people with more info ? Most I see could not even geolocate themselves without their phones. without their tech ... they seem to be
lost. Being reliant on the cloud to remember things for you , tell you where you are ... your mind gets lazy. just ask google.
Also , it seems the "frustration factor" has grown exponentially with each jump in tech. Things that used to be simple and efficient now have
many 3'rd party steps to negotiate. Many things are less convenient for the consumer , but far more streamlined for the corporations.
This is what the (some) young realize.
Young people with more info ? Most I see could not even geolocate themselves without their phones. without their tech ... they seem to be
lost. Being reliant on the cloud to remember things for you , tell you where you are ... your mind gets lazy. just ask google.
Also , it seems the "frustration factor" has grown exponentially with each jump in tech. Things that used to be simple and efficient now have
many 3'rd party steps to negotiate. Many things are less convenient for the consumer , but far more streamlined for the corporations.
You keep that belief alive over there in Australia, ok?
My "old man" ways have kept me in a comfortable and content life for 70 years.
Whenever I hear someone using terms like "narrow minded" or "conspiracy theory" I instantly know where their head's at.
But .... "old man thinking" WTF. I'm a hybrid of that (and am progressive). Yes , the " money, influence and power, people are expendable" is what
the young have embraced ... thanks to media/marketers. If that is progressive , I want no part.
The "wealthy old men" have no issue using tech under the guise of progress to abuse/exploit the masses. The old men have no problem setting the goals
and then outsourcing to the young telling them it is progress. Insidious.
PS - watch what they do with AI , mark my words !!! It will make life much more stressful for most of us. It's not AI's fault , but what goals the "wealthy old
men" have planned for it's use.
the young have embraced ... thanks to media/marketers. If that is progressive , I want no part.
The "wealthy old men" have no issue using tech under the guise of progress to abuse/exploit the masses. The old men have no problem setting the goals
and then outsourcing to the young telling them it is progress. Insidious.
PS - watch what they do with AI , mark my words !!! It will make life much more stressful for most of us. It's not AI's fault , but what goals the "wealthy old
men" have planned for it's use.
Clearly the amount of marketing in lying, I mean lying in marketing, needs to be "right-sized" back to the acceptable amount.
Trying to feel my way into that "wealthy" mindset, I'd probably be more interested in having a good time on a beach.
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