I haven't bought from any of the lii audio dealers on ali express.I have had them (lii audio flagship) saved as a seller in my profile. They do respond busy it is certainly weird they don't come up in s search. If i go back in now and search lii audio, i can't find them either but they do respond to a message chat i ve in my history. can't make any recommendations as to which seller to use. I'm off the thinking that lii song has got to be decent, I'm just not going to buy from a company that caused such a cluster of uncertainty on what's what. Good luck on your decision and future builds
That’s quite different to Lii Songs F15. I don’t suppose anyone has tried the ones from Trumpet Lii Audio? Would be interesting to hear if you have.
I guess no one has heard yet. Being watching their Taobao shop for a while and seems that they rapidly change models, it's either that they are too competent that can develop new models and obsole old within weeks, or they can't get a model that can constantly sell. From the look and SPL curve it seems the trumpet version of Fast-15 will be quite lacking high end but without hearing no one can tell. By the way their LMS interface is so funny, no curve illustration icon and the fonts looks greatly different than standard LMS software interface.
As reference this is what a standard LMS chart would look like:
I do agree that this one supposed to be "original and authentic" acts like pirate while the "copycat and fake" is behaving like a professional and serious company.
I know we're talking about the full-range 15", but I bought the SIlver-10 last year and it was nowhere near as linear as advertised. I was building the Lionidas and is was awful as sold. My speaker builder added a tweeter to fill in the 6-7khz dropoff. It made the overall response smoother but it became a very expensive project and sort of defeated the purpose of using a full-range driver.
Maybe. I have no inherent bias one way or the other. I bought them. I wanted them to be awesome. They were not.
I heard them installed in my baffle before the builder showed me the plot. They sound like they graph. They are recessed in the presence range and are done by about 13k. The other driver measured the same.
Someone on another board suggested I use the Lii xovers that came with the drivers (for the lionidias build) rather than different ones I had someone build for me. Uggh. Everything was much worse. My builder did what he could to compensate for the driver performance when he designed the crossover. FWIW, the 15" woofer sounds and measures pretty good.
I have lots of gear at home, 300B amps, 211s, 845s, 71A, 300W SS monoblocks, multiple DHT preamps, expensive speakers, etc. There was just nothing I could do, no equipment I could use to make it sound good as a 2-way. It sounds pretty nice now as a 3-way with the Fountek tweeter, but that defeats the purpose of buying a full range driver. C'est la vie.
I heard them installed in my baffle before the builder showed me the plot. They sound like they graph. They are recessed in the presence range and are done by about 13k. The other driver measured the same.
Someone on another board suggested I use the Lii xovers that came with the drivers (for the lionidias build) rather than different ones I had someone build for me. Uggh. Everything was much worse. My builder did what he could to compensate for the driver performance when he designed the crossover. FWIW, the 15" woofer sounds and measures pretty good.
I have lots of gear at home, 300B amps, 211s, 845s, 71A, 300W SS monoblocks, multiple DHT preamps, expensive speakers, etc. There was just nothing I could do, no equipment I could use to make it sound good as a 2-way. It sounds pretty nice now as a 3-way with the Fountek tweeter, but that defeats the purpose of buying a full range driver. C'est la vie.
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Are those stiffening ribs on the cone ?
I assume the dip at 5khz is the antiphase from the whizzer.
I think bob brines mentions that on a dip up there on 8" drivers is due to the whizzer, it's a little higher in frequency (smaller whizzer, different frequency ?) that the 10" you have.
A dip at 5khz, not sure I'd hear that.
A peak at 6khz added clang to cymbals, but wasn't offensive on TB 1320 I had.
I see a whole lot of gain 1.5-4khz.
I'm surprised you hear a lack of presence.
I always eq that section down.
Are those stiffening ribs on the cone ?
I assume the dip at 5khz is the antiphase from the whizzer.
I think bob brines mentions that on a dip up there on 8" drivers is due to the whizzer, it's a little higher in frequency (smaller whizzer, different frequency ?) that the 10" you have.
A dip at 5khz, not sure I'd hear that.
A peak at 6khz added clang to cymbals, but wasn't offensive on TB 1320 I had.
I see a whole lot of gain 1.5-4khz.
I'm surprised you hear a lack of presence.
I always eq that section down.
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Maybe it's the earlier dips like 15db at 1khz and 10db at 3khz that are most audible.
My preference is for drivers that are a touch forward in the mid-range, At worst, I'd like them to be flat. It sounds as if you are listening many rows back from the stage. It's not something subtle. I heard them at the guys shop on mid-fi equipment, and I hear it at home on a $12k 845 amp. The LAST thing I wanted to do was turn a simple 2-way into a 3-way. If I wanted that build I would have bought a good midrange driver, not the 'full-range' Lii. I am slightly curious what it would sound like with a different 10" full-range driver. They are harder to find plus I don't want to throw much more $ at this. I have many speakers at home and have an Altec 612 build on the way.
My preference is for drivers that are a touch forward in the mid-range, At worst, I'd like them to be flat. It sounds as if you are listening many rows back from the stage. It's not something subtle. I heard them at the guys shop on mid-fi equipment, and I hear it at home on a $12k 845 amp. The LAST thing I wanted to do was turn a simple 2-way into a 3-way. If I wanted that build I would have bought a good midrange driver, not the 'full-range' Lii. I am slightly curious what it would sound like with a different 10" full-range driver. They are harder to find plus I don't want to throw much more $ at this. I have many speakers at home and have an Altec 612 build on the way.
I wonder how a pair of Coral Beta 10s would sound instead of the Lii Audio Silver-10s...
link to coral beta 10b tested
https://www.hifi-selbstbau.de/daten...sis-historisch-mainmenu-92/347-coral-beta-10b
https://www.hifi-selbstbau.de/daten...sis-historisch-mainmenu-92/347-coral-beta-10b
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Hello, I've recently bought a pair of the F-6 from the "Lii audio flagship store" on Aliexpress. What do you think about them vs the "Lii song" from lii-audio.com or amazon? I've read all the thread and the comments of caisson rj. I'm currently waiting for the speakers, I don't have them yet
The bass depends very much of the placement.Near to abackwall and deep bass is almost no existing.Give them some air at the backside and deep bass comes alive .Please do
I haven't compared them either, but I think the Decware website has some of the best info (both measurements and listening impressions by Steve Deckert).
-> The F15 they use seem to be the 'authentic' ones (wooden phase plug, red/green/gold sticker) and do not have a treble peak; https://www.decware.com/cgi-bin/yabb22/YaBB.pl?num=1561942815/965#965 . I don't know if and where you can still find them.
-> The Fast 15 from liiaudio.com seems to have the best low-end. Use a notch if the peak bothers you: https://www.decware.com/cgi-bin/yabb22/YaBB.pl?num=1658916276/162#162
-> I have the F15 from liiaudio.com. Very little bass in big OB (I use subs from 80hz), 5-6khz peak needs a notch to my ears. I added a front-firing tweeter >12khz and a rear-firing tweeter >3khz. Huge soundstage, lovely low-midrange, nice balance, they do something right...
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They're at nearly 2m from the wall. I confess that - since my last post - I measured them and they go significantly lower (flat to c. 70hz IIRC) then hearing would suggest. I cross the subs at 65hz 4th order now, and my only complaint is a lack of punch e.g. on kick drums. Double bass is nicely balanced. Crossing the subs higher ruins that with a big peak around 85hz.
