Slightly tempted to "idlefish" MA 10.2 MAOP (relatively expensive here) to hear what's special and so I can join the conversation; never heard a Mark pair. I did inherit a "Griffinjord kit" some years ago and enjoyed very much the Jantzen inductors and ClariCaps. Initial naked audition and (years later) $10ea joint-spacelabs folded (ML)TL, both times impressed me with smoothness and extended flat response, but no desire to listen-on. Lack of life? Stilted uprightness? Compressed dynamics both range and micro? (JX92S ruler-flat passing through the 2-4khz acute-hearing zone.... Adding G2Si did very little.) Don't know, but the oak convertible TLhorn ("t'Lorne") borrowing from FH3 might show the JX92S better. I hope. So, is the MAOP very similar? And compared to Eikona?
Aluminum drivers per se I'm quite used to, Monitor Audio Studio series being my reference over the years.
Aluminum drivers per se I'm quite used to, Monitor Audio Studio series being my reference over the years.
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Dave,
They should be. Customer shouldn't have research the advertising in order to make out the truth. For me, 8" drivers are a good choice for getting the most that I can lower down and still reproducing mids on up. The 12P was generally good in this regard, but yes, I wanted just a little more in the bass. Interestingly, I see that there is a 12PW sold as a woofer. Would be good just to hear it. And finally, I am late to the party in discovering that MA has some drivers at a much higher price that I didn't even know existed. I wonder what size they are?😏
They should be. Customer shouldn't have research the advertising in order to make out the truth. For me, 8" drivers are a good choice for getting the most that I can lower down and still reproducing mids on up. The 12P was generally good in this regard, but yes, I wanted just a little more in the bass. Interestingly, I see that there is a 12PW sold as a woofer. Would be good just to hear it. And finally, I am late to the party in discovering that MA has some drivers at a much higher price that I didn't even know existed. I wonder what size they are?😏
Yes, in fact I did own the 10P previous to the 12P. I used a smaller cabinet (Rear loaded horn designed by Decawre Audio) that interestingly is exactly the same design as the cabinet that I am using now. Unfortunately, the smaller cabinet produced a more boomy bass than the larger cabinet, so I decided to start over and make a cabinet that is 30% larger. That is also when I switched over to the 12P thinking that bigger is better. It was also when I was surprised to see that the 12P was almost exactly the same in cone size as the 10P.
We did that one too. Not at all my favourite, the fellow we gave them to likes them.
You should have seen Mark Fenlon’s face when he first heard the bass passages thru the Frugel-Horn XL with A10PeN.
The numbers in the name are literally the cone size. A12p has a 12 cm cone, A10p a 10cm cone, CHN-110 a 110mm cone… and so forth.
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Dave,
Thanks for the info. Now it seems obvious about the various cone sizes.
I am thinking that you are talking about the original DNA model from Decware. Pretty cool to talk to someone with the same building experience. As I mentioned before, I built the larger cabinet mostly because of the bass. The original model just didn't go that low in spite of claims. Even the bigger one needs the 'proper driver' to get what you want from it. Now I am happy with it but must cross the sub over at 100hz because of too much bass, so there's that.
Frugel Horn eh? I have yet to try that build but have plenty of interest in them. Just what I do because it was just born in me I guess. Sound has always been a possibly intense experience for me from an early age. Most people just don't notice.
Thanks for the info. Now it seems obvious about the various cone sizes.
I am thinking that you are talking about the original DNA model from Decware. Pretty cool to talk to someone with the same building experience. As I mentioned before, I built the larger cabinet mostly because of the bass. The original model just didn't go that low in spite of claims. Even the bigger one needs the 'proper driver' to get what you want from it. Now I am happy with it but must cross the sub over at 100hz because of too much bass, so there's that.
Frugel Horn eh? I have yet to try that build but have plenty of interest in them. Just what I do because it was just born in me I guess. Sound has always been a possibly intense experience for me from an early age. Most people just don't notice.
Thought a little like that earlier too that the bigger driver was an answer to all the questions about lower bass.
The only thing they do is move more air. Some like it, but I like the quality of the bass tones more than the quantity. You can dig out lower bass by increasing the volume in the box or building a FrugelHorn.
I would choose FH any day.. Heard a FH with A7.3 and they were able to deliver surprisingly deep and homogeneous bass considering their size.
The only thing they do is move more air. Some like it, but I like the quality of the bass tones more than the quantity. You can dig out lower bass by increasing the volume in the box or building a FrugelHorn.
I would choose FH any day.. Heard a FH with A7.3 and they were able to deliver surprisingly deep and homogeneous bass considering their size.
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It is always an act of balancing when you look at the drivers/enclosure/room and more. Everything being equal before this consideration, and just changing out drivers (and repositioning speaker placement to suit) makes it wonderful for me to find out differences that I can accommodate, or what just can't be helped enough.
I had the 165-2000 (mk1) for a good while, absolutley superb midrange and treble. Only sold as we were moving house/downsizing etc.
Most likely not talked about due to the price ~700Euro each, and Supravox themselves have had some supply issues over the past few years, moving manufacturing/owner etc. My first pair were quite far out of spec and had to be re-manufactured at Supravox (at their expense) and the second pair were well matched to the advertised spec.
Supravox 165-2000 by Robert Seymour, on Flickr
Supravox 165-2000 (R) Distortion by Robert Seymour, on Flickr