This is NOT personal preference. It is ignoring basic manufacturing, what we have learned about human perception and an unwillingness to fairly compare.
The AR7 was a mid fi product even when it was new. The AR 3a/AR9 and AR10pi were the "higher fi" solutions. Today, they may provide enjoyment for the owners, but only if they do not have experience with more modern offerings.
The AR7 was a mid fi product even when it was new. The AR 3a/AR9 and AR10pi were the "higher fi" solutions. Today, they may provide enjoyment for the owners, but only if they do not have experience with more modern offerings.
People can "prefer" whatever they want. There is no discounting that. Someone could "prefer" the worst speaker ever made. Who's to judge?
BUT, objectively there is no contest as to newer speakers being an order of magnitude better today that in the past. It's the same thing as what one would see if they viewed a new 4K UHD OLED against a 1980's CRT. There is simply no contest.
BUT, objectively there is no contest as to newer speakers being an order of magnitude better today that in the past. It's the same thing as what one would see if they viewed a new 4K UHD OLED against a 1980's CRT. There is simply no contest.
13 years after the original post, we have the inevitable urinating match. 🍿
IMHO, there is quite a lot of that going on lately.
Open baffle mounting, full-range drivers, and short "line arrays" made with a handful of cheap TV speakers have all received much love on Internet speaker forums - as viable choices for Hi-Fi.
Rice & Kellog thought a small open baffle was a good idea in 1925, and at the time, it was: https://www.aes-media.org/historical/html/recording.technology.history/rice-kellogg.html
But that was 97 years ago. Small open baffle speaker systems were abandoned not long after, for their many very serious failings. Today's "open back" electric guitar cabs are the last remaining vestiges of this ancient and primitive design.
Full range drivers are convenient, and adequate for some "mid-Fi" applications, but they are a very poor choice compared to a good two or three way system with a well designed crossover network.
IMO, the combination of full-range drivers mounted on small flat baffles may qualify as the "worst speaker ever made". It's certainly a viable candidate for the title.
As for the handful of small TV speakers stuck in a slim vertical box, they sound just as bad as a roomful of TVs turned up to full volume. And that is a truly awful sound. Maybe these are the "worst speaker ever made"?
So why on earth do these old, bad-sounding, dead-end technologies become popular on online DIY forums?
Is it only because they are comfortingly simple, in an era where most technology is far too complex for the lay person to understand?
I wish I knew.
-Gnobuddy
EXACT SAME reason why THIS 🙄 gets 7.2 Million views. 300.000 subscriptions and 20 pages of reader praise:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=1500w+powerful+bass+amplifier
That's horrifying.
I guess it's official. We are well into a new Dark Age. 🙁
-Gnobuddy
Did you have any doubt about that?
And not only in Electronics but in TONS other irrational beliefs appearing around like mushrooms after the rain: "climate change", anti-vaccines, wild sex/gender ideas, veganism, tatoo/piercings, backwards technology, race theories, crypto "money", hoarding, economically senseless "investing", housing bubbles, cancel-Culture, you-name-it.
Saldy happened many times before: Empires do their full cycle and crumble, their last years are like this, including Society dissolution and anti-Culture, final crash, and then a longer or shorter but inevitable Dark Age.
Happened to Sumerians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Persians, Greek, Romans, Spanish, .... now happening to Germanic Europeans and their Colonies in America.
Always a new Empire takes over, all those above followed a sequence .... maybe the Chinese are the future one?
And not only in Electronics but in TONS other irrational beliefs appearing around like mushrooms after the rain: "climate change", anti-vaccines, wild sex/gender ideas, veganism, tatoo/piercings, backwards technology, race theories, crypto "money", hoarding, economically senseless "investing", housing bubbles, cancel-Culture, you-name-it.
Saldy happened many times before: Empires do their full cycle and crumble, their last years are like this, including Society dissolution and anti-Culture, final crash, and then a longer or shorter but inevitable Dark Age.
Happened to Sumerians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Persians, Greek, Romans, Spanish, .... now happening to Germanic Europeans and their Colonies in America.
Always a new Empire takes over, all those above followed a sequence .... maybe the Chinese are the future one?
Population crash? No doubt.
Cannibalism?
Only in Ukraine (holodomor), anywhere else in history people just starved to death or, if at all possible emigrated.
In Ireland, out of 4 million inhabitants, 1 million died , 1 million emigrated (including here to Argentina).
No records of cannibalism whatsoever.
Cannibalism?
Only in Ukraine (holodomor), anywhere else in history people just starved to death or, if at all possible emigrated.
In Ireland, out of 4 million inhabitants, 1 million died , 1 million emigrated (including here to Argentina).
No records of cannibalism whatsoever.
I do believe [ actually I know ] you are wrong there JMF.
Plenty of evidence of cannibalism all over the world when things get really bad, end of the world scenarios like the Maya collapse, the Anasazi area in Arizona/New Mexico; Siberia during WW2 and the horrible Stalin era.
My Step Daughters PhD is in history and while her specialty is slavery and convict transportation during the American Early period she has an interest in civilization collapses
Plenty of evidence of cannibalism all over the world when things get really bad, end of the world scenarios like the Maya collapse, the Anasazi area in Arizona/New Mexico; Siberia during WW2 and the horrible Stalin era.
My Step Daughters PhD is in history and while her specialty is slavery and convict transportation during the American Early period she has an interest in civilization collapses
When someone was in deep trouble, a friend used to use the expression "He has one foot in the grave, and the other on a banana peel."
I think that is where humanity as a whole finds itself now, on a number of different fronts.
The reality: https://www.overshootday.org/
One of many insanely idiotic fantasies: https://nftniches.com/what-gives-an-nft-its-value/
Moondog, I think your daughter is living through the earlier stages of the collapse of civilization as we know it.
But this thread is going to get shut down...
-Gnobuddy
I think that is where humanity as a whole finds itself now, on a number of different fronts.
The reality: https://www.overshootday.org/
One of many insanely idiotic fantasies: https://nftniches.com/what-gives-an-nft-its-value/
Moondog, I think your daughter is living through the earlier stages of the collapse of civilization as we know it.
But this thread is going to get shut down...
-Gnobuddy
A good example of thread drift.
But it did get me to re-investigate Acoustic suspension drivers properly and that most of my stash are for IB boxes or large ported designs or Mid-woofer use
But it did get me to re-investigate Acoustic suspension drivers properly and that most of my stash are for IB boxes or large ported designs or Mid-woofer use
That video cracks me up..... the bug crawling around in the background at 4:38EXACT SAME reason why THIS 🙄 gets 7.2 Million views. 300.000 subscriptions and 20 pages of reader praise:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=1500w+powerful+bass+amplifier
LOL!........LOL!
I found that the leak sandwich loudspeakers with their advanced driver technology are up to date. And they date from the sixties.
In 1961 Leak released a revolutionary loudspeaker design that gave true piston action of the cone. This was the leak "Sandwich" loudspeaker, so named because the diaphragm was made from a thick section (approx 10mm) of expanded polystyrene sandwiched between two outer skins of aluminium.
In 1961 Leak released a revolutionary loudspeaker design that gave true piston action of the cone. This was the leak "Sandwich" loudspeaker, so named because the diaphragm was made from a thick section (approx 10mm) of expanded polystyrene sandwiched between two outer skins of aluminium.
As their manual said " All AR systems can handle easily the output of any amplifier rated at 100 watts per channel or less, perhaps it was just a matter of using them, as it is today, with the right amplifier
I am talking modern era, as Historians define it, and among reasonably civilized people 🙂
Some stone age culture in the middle of Africa (literally) or Papua New Guinea jungle or pre-Columbine America is real, no doubt, but outside of this scope.
And I DID mention Stalin abuses 🙂
Congratulations on your Daughter 👍 , I´m an omnivorous History reader myself.
Including downfall of Empires/Civilizations, one of which we are sadly witnessing now.