Speaker with a ten inch woofer is totally fine for that space and may even match the room better, or double eight inch woofers. I would not go smaller than eight personally, especially if you like to listen to House, D&B, Trap, etc.
It is not a civilized solutions and even less a very civilized solutions. Civilization is when your freedom stops where the others' start.
In a flat as far as you can be heard from your neighboors it is not ok and a civilzed solution is an open ...headphones 😉
Putting the open bass plan near your sofa or listen chair reduce a lot the radiated spl towards the walls but do not stop it towards others' flats, IMHO. YMMV but words have sense.
Based upon replies I’m now thinking of the Troels SBA-941. Gets a 9” driver which might be ideal
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/SBA-941.htm
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/SBA-941.htm
I have used that Satori WO24P 9.5"....awesome drivers and great design right there!
Thanks, it’s the SBA-941 or the Scanspeak Discovery 3WC
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/Discovery-3WC-mkII.htm
Edit: although the 941 is rear ported which wouldn’t work well as I’m placing them against walls. Could I modify by just switching the port direction to have front firing port?
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/Discovery-3WC-mkII.htm
Edit: although the 941 is rear ported which wouldn’t work well as I’m placing them against walls. Could I modify by just switching the port direction to have front firing port?
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I have built a few systems with those 8 inch scanspeaks. They are an exceptional value and sound cleeeeeeaaaaaaannnn all the way up to meet a tweeter even. If you move the port I think you're better off putting it on one of the four sides rather than toward the front, but ask Troels perhaps?
I doubt you'll be disappointed with either choice. Just realized my profile pic has one of those Scan 8" with a 10F in a dipole lol
Flip a coin my friend, both sides are winners
I doubt you'll be disappointed with either choice. Just realized my profile pic has one of those Scan 8" with a 10F in a dipole lol
Flip a coin my friend, both sides are winners
+1 for the Discov line and the 10F here as well.
You will not be disapointed by the neutrality of those D. drivers. Enough clear to hear each capacitor change.
Be aware he also made a bookshelf (horizontal) with near drivers than can be handy in a WAF context.
I'm curious why he didn't try the Disco 15W with the phase plug as well which seems usefull for baffle step correction due to its good sensivity - but it's a 4 ohms.
You will not be disapointed by the neutrality of those D. drivers. Enough clear to hear each capacitor change.
Be aware he also made a bookshelf (horizontal) with near drivers than can be handy in a WAF context.
I'm curious why he didn't try the Disco 15W with the phase plug as well which seems usefull for baffle step correction due to its good sensivity - but it's a 4 ohms.
I was also interested on those tiny small driver so I bought Vifa TG9 and SS 10F, but it won't be suitable for my large room. crank it up and it will sound very stressed. for small bookshelf in your bedroom then should be OK
back to music genre, one of my favorite album since my college days : The Offspring with album "Americana" and "Conspiracy of One". I was using Klipsch promedia 4.1 and still use it until started jump in into DIY around 2012. just like regular newbies into serious audio, started to build gainclone until class amplifier along with Fullrange and OB.
for most of highend or audiophile recording that mostly played in many Audio Show, my system sound great but my youth memory have very little connection to those album where I grew up with different genre. I rarely finish any high end album or even a song but only use it just to test my system. but I can play my youth album collection from start to finish
here example of Offspring songs that will play badly in OB or Fullrange, ported is the only answer especially for those drum and guitar bass
back to music genre, one of my favorite album since my college days : The Offspring with album "Americana" and "Conspiracy of One". I was using Klipsch promedia 4.1 and still use it until started jump in into DIY around 2012. just like regular newbies into serious audio, started to build gainclone until class amplifier along with Fullrange and OB.
for most of highend or audiophile recording that mostly played in many Audio Show, my system sound great but my youth memory have very little connection to those album where I grew up with different genre. I rarely finish any high end album or even a song but only use it just to test my system. but I can play my youth album collection from start to finish
here example of Offspring songs that will play badly in OB or Fullrange, ported is the only answer especially for those drum and guitar bass
Well…..there‘s no escaping the adaptability of dipole systems to most listening spaces, particularly bass response over boxed conventional speakers…….4 15” H frames is really something to experience for bass clarity in just about any space
On the contrary, there are many loudspeakers that can cover all genres. You are totally in minority,
overhelming majority are others who
like Revel, YG Acoustics, ...
not many audio lover have large room to accomodate multiple speakers and amplifier, especially the wallet. so sometimes have to choose and compromise with wallet,waf,room.
rarely can find a Wilson line of product stays in the same room with Magico, or Kharma on so many pictures in many forum or fan page. including amplifier like Krell, Mac, MBL. only a set of one which will be their choice
i have 6m wide room but with 2m wide rack and 3 set of speakers, no more space available. for my next speaker project i have sacrifice either 1
anyway about YG Acoustic, my latest 3 way was inspired by YG Hailey 1.2. very tired to cut those angles with hand saw
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/...ld-with-dynaudio-drivers.387930/#post-7098565
Vented boxes often sound flabby and tuneless - don't discount sealed enclosures. Further, if you can afford the space and cost, use large PA bass drivers (15"; 18", the latter requiring about 50l sealed).
Move a Lot of Air - GENTLY. Small drivers flapping about near Xmax trying to reproduce bass never sound good compared with a large one barely moving.
One pair of good loudspeakers is enough, they will cover all music genres (also, one amplifier is enough). Why more sets of loudspeakers?
this is based on what you read online or have you build them? PA driver is designed for high power output which means and translated in very heavy cones and very stiff. the bass produced is not deep due to high Fs.
where do you get 50L sealed for PA driver? even if used for 12" subwoofer it's still not enough.
what kind of subwoofer that you have build? 6"-8" indeed small subwoofer for car, but for home 12" is a reguler size. and you need to read about multiple subwoofer approach usually 12" compared to a single 18" one.
dual-opposed that is another approach to linearized cone movement and i have applied this to my build. dual-opposed 12" high quality subwoofer and powerfull amplifier+dsp, and two set of them. even if a high volume room shacking bass from action bluray, it's cone barely moving where my sofa already shaken. the limits is only my neigbour not to be bothered
i bet you never build multiple speakers and amplifiers so you dont know the difference. i just find all your post show it.
if you talk about cables, connector type will sound the same then i will agree with you, but not speaker driver and amplifier.
later you will get into another trouble of learning amplifier class A,AB,D,H and transistor vs tube then what kind of capacitor/resistor/transformers will make a different
I have no real world experience, so rely on you guys helping me out. I actually have two pairs of Mark Audio Alpair 7s for a long time, awaiting use! My plan is to build these and put them in my bedroom, and something that will sound a lot more beefy and more suitable for my living room as I am referring to in this thread. Those 9.5" SBA woofers appear to be what I should be going with from the TG design. Or perhaps the Scanspeak Discovery 3WC, which looks a little cheaper.
You lost the bet - I am running a small audio/loudspeaker company, building and selling my own loudspeaker designs, up to 300 units per year - all kinds of loudspeakers: line ararys, big PA full range loudspeakers, big 21" and 18" PA subwoofers, big and small hi-fi loudspeakers,... Also, I am renting PA equipment and have a big number of class AB, H, G and D amplifiers.
Also, I am writing reviews of hi-fi equipment (speakers, SS and tube amplifiers, ...) for a local electronic magazine, so I heard almost everything available...
Bottom line: your own loudspeakers really sucks, if you need several sets of them.
Do you have neighbours? Theres no point building the ability to make high SPL pressure bass if you get complaints and cant enjoy your music guilt free. Bass has a remarkable ability to leak.
Yes I have neighbours but my house is not attached to theirs. About 20 feet separation. I know bass with travel, but I will be listening at low volumes. Always