]Very unnatural sound...
I’ll keep that in mind. I haven’t heard them.
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Weren't the Dahlquist DQ-10's OB on all but the woofer. I think they put some wool or something behind the other drivers, but the back of the cabinet was an open grill. Driven with a good amp, I liked the sound of the DQ's. The bottom was a bit weak, and they offered a sub option, but did not hear them with a sub.My first O.B. was years ago with a Fostex FE206E drivers back in 2001. I never made one and it had a Clarity I have heard but, that’s where it began and ended. You deal with xmax of a driver and room reflection’s and bass and crossover’s passive or active l. So I have heard a few O.B’s in my time. One of them was Hawthorne Valley (Nice guy) and it sounded big but, no bass and the midrange was nothing special. What bothered me was the huge mundurf cross over parts and the huge coil. It costed more for the crossover then the speaker drivers and the oak frame with sided leather trim. The drivers were cheaply made and cost a arm and a leg to buy. Again this is my observation and experience. I didn’t stay in that listening room long. I also got to see the Nola (I hope I got the name right) Tweeter and midrange in a open baffle and the bass driver’s in a ported box down below. They looked very nice and never heard them. I know it’s a touchy subject but, it didn’t work for me.
They didn't deal very well with the bass. Trying to keep the efficiency up, probably. You can't do that and get a good tonal balance.One of them was Hawthorne Valley (Nice guy) and it sounded big but, no bass and the midrange was nothing special.
How about Magnepan and Quad, just to mention two? Not Titans of the speaker industry?How about these TITANS of audio industry?
Poor Joseph Crowe 😔It is the same with some other very interesting technologies... shaded line arrays, multi-entry horns... Great ideas, very high performance potential, but not many potential customers.
Weren't the Dahlquist DQ-10's OB on all but the woofer.
No. Only the Philips midrange is OB.

dave
Could it be also their aluminum driver ? Non-paper woofers sound correct, but dry...I did not like those at all. Very unnatural sound, and, as for the bass, even more so.
You can't get bass from what is really only a midrange driver.
How about Magnepan and Quad, just to mention two? Not Titans of the speaker industry?
The bigger Magnepans have a monopole ribbon don’t they?
dave
Could it be also their aluminum driver ? Non-paper woofers sound correct, but dry...
Excutuion is important so that your generality break’s down.
dave
I agree, all true points. But, i want to make it LOUD and clear --- my point is not that these big companies dont make OB instead of their boxes, but rather..... why not even One, single one model in their line up is not OB? Sure, they will sell boxes to 99% of customers. But why not make one big expensive model with open bass , even if mids are in a box?There are relatively few people who are willing to spend more than $1000 on a pair of speakers. Of those that do, even fewer will want (or be willing to tolerate) a large flat panel pushed out into the middle of the room... and for those few folks who meet this criteria and want a dipole experience, companies like Magnepan and Martin-Logan will satisfy the market for most potential customers.
It is the same with some other very interesting technologies... shaded line arrays, multi-entry horns... Great ideas, very high performance potential, but not many potential customers.
Wow, its ugly, but i actually like it! it has a very non-Magico looks 😉No. Only the Philips midrange is OB.
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dave
So what are the reasons that you like an open baffle?
- They sound natural.
- The worst quality of the speaker , to me, is boomy bass. If the speaker is bright, i can EQ this somewhat. But boominess, of course depends on room also, is a major flaw.
- Sadly i was not able to hear Transmission line speakers, cant compare
- no box resonances
According to many, Nola are one of the most correct sounding speakers out there. Perhaps its the result of a following mix:My first O.B. was years ago with a Fostex FE206E drivers back in 2001. I never made one and it had a Clarity I have heard but, that’s where it began and ended. You deal with xmax of a driver and room reflection’s and bass and crossover’s passive or active l. So I have heard a few O.B’s in my time. One of them was Hawthorne Valley (Nice guy) and it sounded big but, no bass and the midrange was nothing special. What bothered me was the huge mundurf cross over parts and the huge coil. It costed more for the crossover then the speaker drivers and the oak frame with sided leather trim. The drivers were cheaply made and cost a arm and a leg to buy. Again this is my observation and experience. I didn’t stay in that listening room long. I also got to see the Nola (I hope I got the name right) Tweeter and midrange in a open baffle and the bass driver’s in a ported box down below. They looked very nice and never heard them. I know it’s a touchy subject but, it didn’t work for me.
- alnico midranges
- in open baffles
- they use multiple mid drivers
The other , highly regarded brand, but not widely known is Zellaton. As far as I know from Internet, their cabinet is a blend of long U frame and aperiodic vented cabinet. Whole back of the cabinet has a grill, i guess damped with wool. Usually, aperiodic cabinets have much smaller vents, like Dutch and Dutch monitors.
Because almost no one wants them. Apart from DIY and the various planars, show me one that's been commercially successful. I'll wait...those who focus on cabinet models, and those who go with OB or horns/TL or a mix of OB/horns.
Jamo are defunct in OBs because of sales. Legacy are very clever designs but they don't work without the DSP and that puts lots of potential customers off. Aries Cerat mainly sell to the jewellery market and their speakers are generally ugly except to those who view them as an architectural statement. They also can't perform all that will in the midbass and down; not enough Vd. The engineering problems of OB are well known and understood, and once you solve that you then have the size, cost and domestic acceptance issues.Examples of brands which recently (last year, few years) joined OB camp: Aries Cerat, Legacy, Jamo.
It's really hard to make money in the speaker field especially of you want bass where you need to move air and people want small cheap speakers. I know this as I've been designing for years and more than once ran the numbers, with people more qualified in this arena than myself (business end) and it was about the same as being a stadium rock act starting now. Possible but unlikely.
Having heard the opinions of the anonymous 'many' for decades, I'd need to hear them myself.According to many, Nola are one of the most correct sounding speakers out there.
That said, even if they are spectacular, they are huge, expensive, ugly to many and need a lot of room floor space. How many of these systems are actually sold? I bet not that many.
That’s a bummer I never got to hear the Nola speakers.😞. I did like the looks of them.😁.According to many, Nola are one of the most correct sounding speakers out there. Perhaps its the result of a following mix:
They have ported bass section. But the ports are wider than usual and woofers are very light.
- alnico midranges
- in open baffles
- they use multiple mid drivers
The other , highly regarded brand, but not widely known is Zellaton. As far as I know from Internet, their cabinet is a blend of long U frame and aperiodic vented cabinet. Whole back of the cabinet has a grill, i guess damped with wool. Usually, aperiodic cabinets have much smaller vents, like Dutch and Dutch monitors.
Very unfriendly looks but, I kinda like the way they are built. 😊. I wonder they sounded?No. Only the Philips midrange is OB.
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dave
I don't have direct experience with those, so don't know. But for decades they were all dipole. Open Baffle in the form of planars has done well over the decades.The bigger Magnepans have a monopole ribbon don’t they?
The photo is missing the grill. They looked pretty cool. Even the back had a open grill and I never looked that closely, so never noticed much except the pieces of wood with no box mounting 4 drivers staggered. They sounded good, but as I said before, only with a good amp. I guess all those drivers made for a bumpy load. The ones I saw were in around 78. Not sure when they discontinued them.Very unfriendly looks but, I kinda like the way they are built. 😊. I wonder they sounded?
Wow you were able to see them in person and listen to them. That’s awesome. Thanks for the insightful experience. 😁The photo is missing the grill. They looked pretty cool. Even the back had a open grill and I never looked that closely, so never noticed much except the pieces of wood with no box mounting 4 drivers staggered. They sounded good, but as I said before, only with a good amp. I guess all those drivers made for a bumpy load. The ones I saw were in around 78. Not sure when they discontinued them.
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