Even so, the JBL Studio Series seemed to work well in the earlier thread ...
Hi turbo, welcome to the club !!!
If your main application is HT any quality gains going active won't be appreciated and it will be very complete. A250K JBL Synthesis system would be justifiable.
If you have not built a loudspeaker before my advise is seek out a good pre design passive system then consider bi amp of that design. Have a good at Troels Diy loudspeaker website. He covers some really impressive active designs
For Stereo Music you won't find a better diy active loudspeaker on the planet.
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/The-Loudspeaker-III.htm
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/The-Loudspeaker-III.htm#CROSSOVER
It's a big box of tools for a number of things that the chips can do, so you have to figure out which one is right for you and what you're doing.
There's also some occasional bugs when having the hardware connected all the time, it really should only be connected when you transfer the new programming.
For someone like me, that grew up with Commodore 64 and loading programs with a tape, or more recently using something like Windows Vista, it's not a big deal. 😂
That was a different project. This is a different one. It is not it always has to be same speakers right. Different people have different requirements. For m JBL Studio series is not enough. Okay their top of the line Towers may be decent. But the Center Chanel is not cutting out. But anyhow not gonna be holding JBL Studio series and Paradigm Premier series on Same level.
But if Paradigm speakers are really that great, how do you expect to beat them using your severely limited DIY knowledge ?
After all, Paradigm would have had a knowledgeable engineer design their speaker and how do you plan to "beat" his design in terms of performance without possessing knowledge levels comparable to his ?
It is possible to beat the JBL Studio (rather easily) with some clever planning though.
After all, Paradigm would have had a knowledgeable engineer design their speaker and how do you plan to "beat" his design in terms of performance without possessing knowledge levels comparable to his ?
It is possible to beat the JBL Studio (rather easily) with some clever planning though.
I am expecting a decently put Active DIY speaker at much less price point should be able to beat the Premier series that is when done decently well. If I am unable to manage to work on Active speaker to get to Premier series then would stop at that point and cut my losses to where it is.
And where do you expect this active speaker to come from ? Are you expecting someone on the forum to design it for you ?
I came here looking for answers and you have only been asking me questions which I already answered multiple times. Initially you tried to give good advice which I appreciate. But lately have been beating around the bush.
If you're still looking for answers, then I suggest that you read this thread from its very beginning really carefully, as your question (implied by the thread title) has been answered several times, by several members, in several ways.
I guess you're just waiting for an answer that you like.
I guess you're just waiting for an answer that you like.
Yeah well. You have to realize that the answers I asked initially got answered long time ago. But that lead to further complex stuff which I am still trying to sort out.
Like thanks to you guys I am still unable to decide on which drivers to choose. You guys have laid down some of the crazy and best possible paths and routes to be taken which is making it hard to decide.
Like for example you guys pushed me so hard towards Pro stuff that now I am stuck between deciding what gonna get me good result. BMS Co-axial Compression Driver or Aurum Cantus + Tymphany drivers for High + Mid setup. One is set to play loud and with exceptional dispersion properties(dependent on the horn it is paired to) while the other is set give most detailed and accurate sound and equally good Horizontal dispersion.
You tell which will be better for my usage.
VINEET REDDY, I think I do understand your situation: you know it should be possible to achieve your ambitious goal, but it's confusing and intimidating to make all the decisions of planning - and you don't seem to have the necessary experience. you try to get confirmation from forum members, but of course we cannot decide for you.
if I may I would suggest you take some time and start with a small, very unambitious project. maybe a small, passive 2-way speaker. you will find several examples here on the forum. this will cost you very little money and may take a month or two, but you will gain a lot of experience that you can use for your big project. you might even start to enjoy the process of buidling and tweaking - you will definitely need this for your big project!
if I may I would suggest you take some time and start with a small, very unambitious project. maybe a small, passive 2-way speaker. you will find several examples here on the forum. this will cost you very little money and may take a month or two, but you will gain a lot of experience that you can use for your big project. you might even start to enjoy the process of buidling and tweaking - you will definitely need this for your big project!
I know you are trying to help me out by steering me to start and take it slow. With 2-way design and then work up. But see that is not an option for me at this point. I have to get on this project. I know very well that it is more complex than a simple 2-way design. But have to get on it and get it working. You guys helped me come this far. No looking back and reconsidering stuff. Now the option of not going DIY route is completely off my mind thanks to you guys and not gonna consider it.
Thanks for the compliments 🙂
You realise there is no end to this line of questioning, don't you? people can spend their lives learning this. Unless you say to yourself you want to know what it sounds like, and you go ahead and build it.
my advice was related to how DIY works: you are going to gain experience though failures.
failures with small projects are easy to overcome and transform them into success with resulting satisfaction.
but it can be really hard and discouraging with big and expensive projects.
anyway, good luck with your project!
Hope there is. Because I am only trying to figure out the components. Like what drivers are good and suitable and what DSP+AMP combo should I be looking at. For that I definitely wanna rely on this community. As guys here know their stuff and can drive me in the right direction. Yes definitely people here do need to know what is running on my mind to understand my requirements better. I can reply the questions coming my way(but not repetitively) to help members here understand my requirement.
As I said got lot many good actually very good recommendations from the members of the community till now. I think I am closer than ever to start on the project. Like me having to look at these many sources to get drivers from and such huge variety of them. So yeah I can sort them out to some extent. But need the help of the community to know if the drivers I am sorting out are suitable or not. And if they are not easy to handle or need a specific pairing of drivers to go with etc.
Yeah, and there really is no other goal at the end than make good sound to the ear.
If one takes this as the basis, good sound to ear, and thinks and studies from bottom up what that is then one will get there eventually. Marketing and all kinds of trends and believes just distract, while they can yield good results at the end it is about just figuring it all out by oneself.
Start asking more fundamental questions like what is good sound? What we listen to? What is sound? How sound relates to physical world?
Lets skip some of it and start though experiment without knowing much at all about nothing. One can state that good sound is perhaps some kind of wide bandwidth say 30Hz - 15kHz would be nice for good sound. Missing bass or treble or midrange would be quite obvious and not a good sound. Then, what, headphones can do it but if one takes headphones into the listening distance there is no sound at all so some kind of SPL capability comes into play. Now there is already two fundamental things that need to be catered by somehow bandwidth and SPL capability over the whole bandwidth, without ever thinking about drivers brands and models and topologies. For starters lets just think drivers as transducers, objects that emit some kind of sound and excel at some bandwidth but not full bandwidth due to physics (wavelength). Just assume perfect/ideal drivers for now what ever they are. Assume crossovers can be anything as you are going to use DSP, they really aren't any kind of problem because you can think you can make them perfect (even if it was some work). Alright we have some very basic concept to build on and refine later as more knowledge reveals more questions.
Lets imagine we have now perfect speaker, what ever that is, we just constructed one in our imagination and it has exactly the sound we imagine we want. Now put that into a room, check some simulators to play with this and feed the imagination but wowza the bass is totally dominated by room modes and higher up first reflections especially make crazy interference patterns emerge. How these affect perceived sound quality? Psychoacoustics lessons ahead alright.
Now we have a concept of loudspeaker system that work the room, instead of just "some loudspeakers in some room or anechoic space" and the system acknowledges what the hearing system thinks sounds nice. We also have ways to evaluate its performance visually at least to some extent by measurement, this enables use of simulators.
As you now start to tweak your imaginary perfect loudspeaker system, try and make the room influenced response at listening spot nice to the hearing system, the same we imagined earlier, you have ascended above marketing fud and can figure out what you actually need for good sound instead of just running in circles around all the shiny consumables. Its not short trip, or cheap, requires lots of thought and prototyping and reading, studying, exploring whats your preference, but yeah eventually you can make system with lot less money than whats on the hifimagazine pages with better sound, to you in your application. Mind you, even if you didn't want to build anything you'd be able to pick the more suitable speakers between the thousands available without spending too much extra. If you continue this train of though buying the drivers is about the last step designing loudspeakers from scratch, just buy any good ones you can afford and are available to you. They are not as good as ideal drivers we imagined/assumed earlier but they are not too far off, after all they are about the best we can have because there is no ideal drivers for sale, you could design some slack to the system to take this into account. Same with amplifiers and DSP products.
DIY can give lots of fun, a nice hobby, but fast results are hard to get unless building a kit but even then one should know even a little bit about whats going on because it might not fit the intended application.
Remember to have fun! if it means buying some drivers and slapping them together then that it is, just don't be disappointed if it wasn't best system in the planet although you wanted it to be, since it was your creation. Anything we build is the best, because that's how the brain biases everything so perhaps only thing that matters in the end is just doing it yourself 😉
If one takes this as the basis, good sound to ear, and thinks and studies from bottom up what that is then one will get there eventually. Marketing and all kinds of trends and believes just distract, while they can yield good results at the end it is about just figuring it all out by oneself.
Start asking more fundamental questions like what is good sound? What we listen to? What is sound? How sound relates to physical world?
Lets skip some of it and start though experiment without knowing much at all about nothing. One can state that good sound is perhaps some kind of wide bandwidth say 30Hz - 15kHz would be nice for good sound. Missing bass or treble or midrange would be quite obvious and not a good sound. Then, what, headphones can do it but if one takes headphones into the listening distance there is no sound at all so some kind of SPL capability comes into play. Now there is already two fundamental things that need to be catered by somehow bandwidth and SPL capability over the whole bandwidth, without ever thinking about drivers brands and models and topologies. For starters lets just think drivers as transducers, objects that emit some kind of sound and excel at some bandwidth but not full bandwidth due to physics (wavelength). Just assume perfect/ideal drivers for now what ever they are. Assume crossovers can be anything as you are going to use DSP, they really aren't any kind of problem because you can think you can make them perfect (even if it was some work). Alright we have some very basic concept to build on and refine later as more knowledge reveals more questions.
Lets imagine we have now perfect speaker, what ever that is, we just constructed one in our imagination and it has exactly the sound we imagine we want. Now put that into a room, check some simulators to play with this and feed the imagination but wowza the bass is totally dominated by room modes and higher up first reflections especially make crazy interference patterns emerge. How these affect perceived sound quality? Psychoacoustics lessons ahead alright.
Now we have a concept of loudspeaker system that work the room, instead of just "some loudspeakers in some room or anechoic space" and the system acknowledges what the hearing system thinks sounds nice. We also have ways to evaluate its performance visually at least to some extent by measurement, this enables use of simulators.
As you now start to tweak your imaginary perfect loudspeaker system, try and make the room influenced response at listening spot nice to the hearing system, the same we imagined earlier, you have ascended above marketing fud and can figure out what you actually need for good sound instead of just running in circles around all the shiny consumables. Its not short trip, or cheap, requires lots of thought and prototyping and reading, studying, exploring whats your preference, but yeah eventually you can make system with lot less money than whats on the hifimagazine pages with better sound, to you in your application. Mind you, even if you didn't want to build anything you'd be able to pick the more suitable speakers between the thousands available without spending too much extra. If you continue this train of though buying the drivers is about the last step designing loudspeakers from scratch, just buy any good ones you can afford and are available to you. They are not as good as ideal drivers we imagined/assumed earlier but they are not too far off, after all they are about the best we can have because there is no ideal drivers for sale, you could design some slack to the system to take this into account. Same with amplifiers and DSP products.
DIY can give lots of fun, a nice hobby, but fast results are hard to get unless building a kit but even then one should know even a little bit about whats going on because it might not fit the intended application.
Remember to have fun! if it means buying some drivers and slapping them together then that it is, just don't be disappointed if it wasn't best system in the planet although you wanted it to be, since it was your creation. Anything we build is the best, because that's how the brain biases everything so perhaps only thing that matters in the end is just doing it yourself 😉
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Like I said earlier, the existence of HiFi is based on expectation bias, not proper technical data. Pro-audio, on the other hand is for actual, serious use and are therefore based on specifications and have datasheets. They also offer genuine discounts, warranty and service, besides being tolerant to many kinds of human errors like output short-circuit etc. Most professional units are complete, requiring no extra equipment for operation. They also take standards seriously and comply with them e.g. user safety. And, for all practical intents and purposes, most professional DSPs / amplifiers have similar sound quality.
The main disadvantages of pro-audio equipment are that they do not easily lend themselves to operation by beginners and are also not very pretty to look at. The starting price might also be higher than what you would see within consumer HiFi.
I'm unable to locate a steady/proper source for BMS coaxial drivers in India, but if you're (and can afford it), then you would also need a horn flare to operate it correctly.
As already mentioned earlier, nobody can predict whether you would like the results from a certain driver combination and/or consider them to be superior to Paradigm speakers (since that's your yardstick).
R K Enterprises is the distributor in India. He is offering BMS 4590 for INR30,000.
Looks am not worried about. As that will not be visible.
And horn I am looking into it.
Is the driver hard to work with.