Maybe, maybe not. Mine are +/-30* from 300Hz up. Might want to study up on controlled directivity.But what I tried to say is that 3-way speakers are also helpful in providing wider mid-range dispersion.
And I'm not one who follows that Toole is correct in all cases re wide dispersion being beneficial or better sounding.
And you're still missing my point. Why are centre speakers used in cinemas? And why does that automatically translate to them being neccessary at home? Apart from selling you more gear, of course.
I get your point regarding center channel and totally agree with you.Maybe, maybe not. Mine are +/-30* from 300Hz up. Might want to study up on controlled directivity.
And I'm not one who follows that Toole is correct in all cases re wide dispersion being beneficial or better sounding.
And you're still missing my point. Why are centre speakers used in cinemas? And why does that automatically translate to them being neccessary at home? Apart from selling you more gear, of course.
I am covering Capital and Tech Capital of India. I bet if I can't find what I want in these 2 Capital Cities then possibly of it being available in rest of the country is slim to none.Leave dispersion for now and try to find reasonable drivers/designs for your speaker by using the information provided in the thread. Like I said earlier, you may have to expand your search beyond the internet and to other cities, in order to alleviate the availability issues in the country.
Yes am doing that. But I wanna weigh in my requirements as well. Because without which I should be fine with anything and everything. But that is not the case right.Leave dispersion for now and try to find reasonable drivers/designs for your speaker by using the information provided in the thread. Like I said earlier, you may have to expand your search beyond the internet and to other cities, in order to alleviate the availability issues in the country.
If wide dispersion is your goal, then you should look at the Philharmonic Audio BMR design by Dennis Murphy. The kit is available from Meniscus Audio for a very reasonable $1010 per pair.Ahm I guess at this point you know that I know the basic stuff. If not lot is lost here.
But yes. I know. And I was specifically saying that I also choose 3-way(Tweeter+Mid+Woofer) speaker as I want the mid-range to be loud and dispersed to wider area in comparison to what a 2-way speaker is capable of.
I know what I am talking about. LOL.
Here is a section from their description of the speaker:
"The BMR driver operates as a piston at lower frequencies, but shifts to a bending wave motion mode in the lower treble, and to a second bending mode in the upper treble. The result is greatly reduced breakup and extremely broad dispersion above 2,000 Hz. This driver is used as both a midrange and tweeter in several commercial applications. Although the BMR can function acceptably in this fashion, its true strength is upper midrange performance. The highest frequencies are much better served by the RAAL ribbon tweeter."
https://meniscusaudio.com/product/philharmonic-audio-bmr-speaker-kit/
That site does not ship to my location. Probably doesn't ship to IndiaIf wide dispersion is your goal, then you should look at the Philharmonic Audio BMR design by Dennis Murphy. The kit is available from Meniscus Audio for a very reasonable $1010 per pair.
Here is a section from their description of the speaker:
"The BMR driver operates as a piston at lower frequencies, but shifts to a bending wave motion mode in the lower treble, and to a second bending mode in the upper treble. The result is greatly reduced breakup and extremely broad dispersion above 2,000 Hz. This driver is used as both a midrange and tweeter in several commercial applications. Although the BMR can function acceptably in this fashion, its true strength is upper midrange performance. The highest frequencies are much better served by the RAAL ribbon tweeter."
https://meniscusaudio.com/product/philharmonic-audio-bmr-speaker-kit/
They claim that they ship worldwide. Contact Mark, the owner, by email and ask him. He also might be willing to sell you the plans and let you buy the parts locally.That site does not ship to my location. Probably doesn't ship to India
But this sounds like exactly the type of speaker you are looking for. And there probably isn't a better speaker designer around, including the ones in the commercial companies, than Dennis Murphy.
Thanks will do that.They claim that they ship worldwide. Contact Mark, the owner, by email and ask him. He also might be willing to sell you the plans and let you buy the parts locally.
But this sounds like exactly the type of speaker you are looking for. And there probably isn't a better speaker designer around, including the ones in the commercial companies, than Dennis Murphy.
Mailed him more than 24hrs ago. But still no response. Lets wait another 24hrs and see.They claim that they ship worldwide. Contact Mark, the owner, by email and ask him. He also might be willing to sell you the plans and let you buy the parts locally.
But this sounds like exactly the type of speaker you are looking for. And there probably isn't a better speaker designer around, including the ones in the commercial companies, than Dennis Murphy.
Mailed him more than 24hrs ago. But still no response. Lets wait another 24hrs and see.
Last 2 days were the weekend in the US, and today (Monday) is Memorial Day which is also a holiday. So expect to wait for a couple of more days.
OkayLast 2 days were the weekend in the US, and today (Monday) is Memorial Day which is also a holiday. So expect to wait for a couple of more days.
Guys how is Statements II for HT use. Is it underwhelming as in not having much dynamics and narrow dispersion range.
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/a-3-way-design-study.376620/
Unlikely, since the email would be largely perceived as an attempt to compromise the design. Most individual designers are unikely to entertain customers who dictate their own terms of purchase. Further, the "kit market" works only due to the tie-up between the designer and the manufacturer(s), and the sales that might happen as a result of the same.He also might be willing to sell you the plans and let you buy the parts locally.
The kit market is a tie-up primarily between the designers and the resellers, like Meniscus Audio and Madisound. The resellers assemble the pieces from various manufacturers, including crossover components, into a "kit" for delivery to the builder.https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/a-3-way-design-study.376620/
Unlikely, since the email would be largely perceived as an attempt to compromise the design. Most individual designers are unikely to entertain customers who dictate their own terms of purchase. Further, the "kit market" works only due to the tie-up between the designer and the manufacturer(s), and the sales that might happen as a result of the same.
The driver manufactures themselves don't normally deal directly with kit builders. Even though some manufacturers, SB Acoustics for example, create their own DIY designs, the parts kits are still delivered by the resellers.
The independent kit designers usually get a fee paid back to them by the resellers based on the sale of each kit.
I believe that there are certain situations where the reseller, Meniscus Audio in particular, will sell the DIY builder the plans for a fee and still give back to the original designer the same part of that fee he would be entitled to if the reseller had delivered the actual parts themselves. In other words, you pay the reseller just for the plans and he makes the same amount of profit as if had he sold you the parts. And from that fee the reseller is also able give the designer his cut. And this would make a lot of sense where overseas shipping charges and import fees add a significant extra cost to the buyer.
I'm not 100% certain about this, but I believe it is something I once discussed with some of the resellers.
Statements II might be an overkill for HT use. The earlier version, called just Statements, is probably all you need for that purpose. These are big speakers. 60" tall by 12" wide by 16" deep.Guys how is Statements II for HT use. Is it underwhelming as in not having much dynamics and narrow dispersion range.
I've never heard them, but with Jim Holtz and Curt Campbell as the designers I imagine they sound great.
I asked that because I was able to find crossover as well as enclosure design online for it and the drivers can be sourced in for a decent budget. But yeah will wait for Meniscusaudio response. Then can look forward.Statements II might be an overkill for HT use. The earlier version, called just Statements, is probably all you need for that purpose. These are big speakers. 60" tall by 12" wide by 16" deep.
I've never heard them, but with Jim Holtz and Curt Campbell as the designers I imagine they sound great.
I asked that because I was able to find crossover as well as enclosure design online for it and the drivers can be sourced in for a decent budget.
In many ways the Statements play to the strengths of DIY in offering good performance for a reasonable price with an unconventional design. Note that it sprays some of the output from the rear of the midrange over the front wall but without doing something similar with the higher frequencies. Perhaps you will like this quirky aspect but then again you may not. If not, modifying it to have a more conventional radiation pattern should be fairly straightforward.
I just received mail from Hypex and the FA123 is gonna cost me 660euro or around INR55,000 which is bit high. For pair that will be INR1,10,000 which is high. Isn't it. I was kinda aiming for INR1,20,000-1,30,000 speaker pair.
Okay so some tweaking can improve it bit further but is not necessary as it already is decent as is. Cool.In many ways the Statements play to the strengths of DIY in offering good performance for a reasonable price with an unconventional design. Note that it sprays some of the output from the rear of the midrange over the front wall but without doing something similar with the higher frequencies. Perhaps you will like this quirky aspect but then again you may not. If not, modifying it to have a more conventional radiation pattern should be fairly straightforward.
Okay so some tweaking can improve it bit further but is not necessary as it already is decent as is. Cool.
Not really. Blocking the sound spraying the front wall would make it sound worse according to the designers and, no doubt, many of the builders. Whether you consider the sound decent I do not know given you have described sound as bad that I and a fair few others would describe as decent. It is for you to judge but I think we can say an unheard quirky design is a risk in this respect.
Easy-to-use all-in-one active modules aimed at the tiny DIY speaker market are inevitably expensive. They are a good solution for relatively expensive DIY speakers but not for more cost constrained ones. There are cheaper and less easy to use approaches to active crossovers but they require more knowledge and messing around. They can bring the costs to a DIYer down to around the price of a non-boutique stereo amplifier and passive speakers using non-boutique crossover parts but not below in the way industrial production may. They can also push the costs higher if a DIYer is not familiar with DIY active crossover speakers as demonstrated earlier in the thread.
If you set aside the cost of a stereo amplifier/receiver and opt for passive speakers with non-boutique crossover parts then your budget looks reasonable for a good pair of 3 way towers in terms of conventional high fidelity for the home. For a good design using easy-to-use active modules then your budget is significantly below what is required but the cost of power amplifiers would be included. For a good active design using a less easy approach then the budget will depend on how you handle the required signal processing and amplification but should be doable with knowledge particularly if some of the parts are second hand.
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